Trinity Schminity

I’m giggling so hard, I can’t see straight to make a comment. Just skip to about 1:20 for the Trinity stuff. Enjoy.

My favorite comment from the Youtube page: “Somehow you make modalism rock… it’s still wrong, but you made it rock.”

His band’s page is here.

Props to the first commenter who can stop laughing, get beyond the bad music, and analyze the arguments implicit in his lyrics. That’d really be taking a bullet for the team. :-)

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Dale Tuggy is a Professor of Philosophy at SUNY Fredonia, where he teaches courses in analytic theology, philosophy of religion, religious studies, and the history of philosophy.

7 Responses to Trinity Schminity

  1. scott says:

    There was an argument? Just a lot of strokin’ the guit-fiddle there.

    Though, if you are John Paul 2, you can say ‘everyone lives out a philosophy’, the trouble is, it requires an exegete to make it look like a philosophy, and not just strokin’ the fiddle.

    I particularly enjoyed the backing vocals. The high pitched vibrato gets me every time.

  2. Joel says:

    Hey Dale…
    Here’s what I heard him sing:
    “You [so called orthodox Christian] say you have a Trinity of gods to be esteemed. That they hold power equally and live eternally. You say there are three persons in this holy trinity. And God don’t really care what you and I believe.
    Jesus said (stop) Jesus said (stop) Jesus said (stop) Jesus said (stop), ‘Except you believe that I am he, you’ll die in your sin.’ (repeat Jesus’ quote)
    ‘He that has seen me has seen the Father.’ (repeat)
    Trinity schminity, don’t believe the lie…
    You can’t just make up gods as you go along, even if everyone believed it, it’d still be wrong.”

    His argument is that God, Jesus, and the Father are all the same person, just God; trinity scminity.

  3. Joel has the lyrics right, from what I can tell. Seems to me the song is based on John 8.

    Evidently he thinks that (a) “Trinity” = (b) “Three Divine Persons” = (c) “Three Gods.” But since there is only one God, there cannot be three. Therefore there can be no Trinity.

    From what I can tell, Hindus would disagree (they believe in many Gods and one God at the same time), but Muslims would agree.

    I don’t see the necessity of moving from (b) to (c), however.

    The urgency for him has to do with the “if you do not believe that I am he, you’ll die in your sins part.” Evidently, his claim is (d) “he” = “the Father, and (e) you can’t believe that Jesus is the Father if you’re believe in the Trinity. You believe (f) He’s the Son, and therefore, not the Father.

    Therefore, to believe in the Trinity is to believe that Jesus is the Son, which is to believe He is not the Father, which is to not believe that He (Jesus) is Him (the Father) which leads to dying in your sin.

    I like it. Don’t agree with it, but I like it.

  4. Dale says:

    Hi gents,

    Thanks for the comments. Yeah, I dig the backing vocals too. :-)

    I thought this lyric was interesting – his quoting the trinitarian as saying “And God don’t really care what you and I believe.” I take it that this is my take on people who defend the doctrine as a “mystery”. I’ve been working on that issue, and maybe I’ll post on it soon.

    Yeah Joel – he seems to be a modalist of the sort who identifies the persons of the Trinity – those are just three names for one and the same divine person, one and the same God. So he thinks, apparently, that you’ll go to hell if you don’t believe (in logic lingo) s = g (and f=g and h=g). Same person, yes, but also just: numerically the same thing.

    Problem is, some things are true of f that are not true of s. So they simply aren’t =, however else they may be related. He needs to work on his logic… and his riffs. :-) Although he could out-play me any day. I might beat him on the vocals though.

  5. Josh Blander says:

    The drummer’s stick-twirl somewhat early on seems like precisely the kind of bravado that the singer is warning against. He really needs to die to self and not twirl his drum stick, IMHO.

    Also, didn’t the guitarist make an Ozzy devil sign on his fretboard during his solo? WT…H?

    This is what happens when you don’t believe in the Trinity!

  6. Josh Blander says:

    Oops, sorry, I always forget – it’s the Ronnie James Dio devil sign….who can keep track of Black Sabbath’s lead singers any more?

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