Comments on: Jesus and “god” – part 4 – Time traveling among the “gods” (Dale) http://trinities.org/blog/archives/349 theories about the father, son, and holy spirit Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:51:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: trinities - Jesus and “god” - part 3 - analyzing “X is a god” (Dale) http://trinities.org/blog/archives/349/comment-page-1#comment-89874 trinities - Jesus and “god” - part 3 - analyzing “X is a god” (Dale) Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:10:06 +0000 http://trinities.org/blog/?p=349#comment-89874 [...] Next time: applying this to actual god-talk. Share: [...] [...] Next time: applying this to actual god-talk. Share: [...]

]]> By: Dale http://trinities.org/blog/archives/349/comment-page-1#comment-89417 Dale Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:59:36 +0000 http://trinities.org/blog/?p=349#comment-89417 Hi Scott - that's an interesting passage. It does seem impossible to cause, create, or even just mysteriously be the source of oneself. The obvious traditionalist objection is that he's making the Son less divine than the Father, because in his view the former is less powerful. How does he parry that objection? Hi Scott – that’s an interesting passage. It does seem impossible to cause, create, or even just mysteriously be the source of oneself. The obvious traditionalist objection is that he’s making the Son less divine than the Father, because in his view the former is less powerful. How does he parry that objection?

]]> By: Scott http://trinities.org/blog/archives/349/comment-page-1#comment-89414 Scott Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:40:52 +0000 http://trinities.org/blog/?p=349#comment-89414 Here's a question that arises in Henry of Ghent's Summa Quest. Ord. 58.1: is Christ omnipotent? Basically, he says that the Father is unqualifiedly omnipotent, but the Son is qualifiedly omnipotent. What's the difference? Well, the Father generated the Son; so, the one thing the Son can't do is generate himself. Nevertheless, we can distinguish between a power to produce a 'what' (primary substance/secondary substance) or a 'who'. So, all divine persons can produce substances; but only certain divine persons 'produce' other divine persons. In which case, is 'omnipotence' in some sense a sign of divinity? And, omnipotence in what sense precisely? Here’s a question that arises in Henry of Ghent’s Summa Quest. Ord. 58.1: is Christ omnipotent? Basically, he says that the Father is unqualifiedly omnipotent, but the Son is qualifiedly omnipotent. What’s the difference? Well, the Father generated the Son; so, the one thing the Son can’t do is generate himself. Nevertheless, we can distinguish between a power to produce a ‘what’ (primary substance/secondary substance) or a ‘who’. So, all divine persons can produce substances; but only certain divine persons ‘produce’ other divine persons.

In which case, is ‘omnipotence’ in some sense a sign of divinity? And, omnipotence in what sense precisely?

]]> By: Dale http://trinities.org/blog/archives/349/comment-page-1#comment-89413 Dale Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:50:46 +0000 http://trinities.org/blog/?p=349#comment-89413 Morris's book - don't have it with me now - I think assumes that the Bible, or at any rate, Christianity, teaches that Jesus was both fully human and fully divine. I'm narrowly focusing on some things - the grammar of God talk, and actual biblical god-talk - relevant to this claim, and to arguments for it. So I guess... ninja. :-P Morris’s book – don’t have it with me now – I think assumes that the Bible, or at any rate, Christianity, teaches that Jesus was both fully human and fully divine. I’m narrowly focusing on some things – the grammar of God talk, and actual biblical god-talk – relevant to this claim, and to arguments for it. So I guess… ninja. :-P

]]> By: JT Paasch http://trinities.org/blog/archives/349/comment-page-1#comment-89412 JT Paasch Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:49:03 +0000 http://trinities.org/blog/?p=349#comment-89412 Is there any Thomas Morris in the background here? Or are you approaching this from a completely different, ninja angle? Is there any Thomas Morris in the background here? Or are you approaching this from a completely different, ninja angle?

]]> By: trinities - Jesus and “god” - part 5 - “gods” in the Bible (Dale) http://trinities.org/blog/archives/349/comment-page-1#comment-89411 trinities - Jesus and “god” - part 5 - “gods” in the Bible (Dale) Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:21:41 +0000 http://trinities.org/blog/?p=349#comment-89411 [...] Last time, you traveled back in time, meeting what you thought were a couple of idiotically confused pagans. These people, you think, have the confusing habit of labeling things “god” or “divine” which are not also the unique and perfect creator of the cosmos. You decide to wash all this polytheistic confusion out of your mind, so you pick up your Bible. In it, you read some interesting things about gods. I am Yahweh your god, who brought you out of the land of Egypt… Do not have other gods besides Me. (Exodus 20:2-3) [...] [...] Last time, you traveled back in time, meeting what you thought were a couple of idiotically confused pagans. These people, you think, have the confusing habit of labeling things “god” or “divine” which are not also the unique and perfect creator of the cosmos. You decide to wash all this polytheistic confusion out of your mind, so you pick up your Bible. In it, you read some interesting things about gods. I am Yahweh your god, who brought you out of the land of Egypt… Do not have other gods besides Me. (Exodus 20:2-3) [...]

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