Dale Tuggy

Dale Tuggy is Professor of Philosophy at the State University of New York at Fredonia, where he teaches courses in analytic theology, philosophy of religion, religious studies, and the history of philosophy.

10 Comments

  1. nickbatchelor
    November 24, 2015 @ 11:59 pm

    Nice reasoning Dale. Jesus always has someone God to him whether on earth or in heaven. He worships his God and Father. That doesn’t make me think he is that God. Do you think if God’s name was left in bible translations there would be less confusion on the identity of God?

    • Dale Tuggy
      November 26, 2015 @ 12:40 pm

      HI Nick,
      I assume you mean in the OT – i.e. not substituting LORD for Yahweh. Yeah, I think that is a factor. But still you would have the ambiguity of “ho kurios” (the Lord) in the NT. Sometimes it is Jesus, sometimes God, and sometimes we really can’t tell. I don’t think the authors in some cases were all that motivated to make it clear. It’s one way of exaltation by association – not, as some many think, dropping a hint that Jesus and God are one and the same, but rather, emphasizing Jesus’s post-resurrection God-like status by applying some of the name titles and descriptions to him, which in the OT are originally about Yahweh himself.

      • nickbatchelor
        November 26, 2015 @ 1:47 pm

        Thanks for your thoughts Dale. Where there are ambiguous scriptures the best approach is to see what other texts tell us and that usually clears it up as you know. We do have God’s name in Psalm 2:2, Psalm 110:1, Isaiah 61:1 and Micah 5:4 and that is enough for me to see that Yahweh/Jehovah is not Jesus but the God of Jesus.

        “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”- Ephesians 1:3

  2. Servetus
    November 8, 2015 @ 5:58 pm

    Hello Dale, I am a long time listener and very infrequent commentor on your blog. I’m not sure if this is welcome, but I wanted to point you to two recent debates I did involving the Trinity in the Old Testament (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coQLCBzidec) and the deity of Christ in the book of Revelation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ZlyDOvzuU). I’d be very honored if you checked them out and had any feedback. Again, sorry if this isn’t the right place to get your attention.

    • Rivers
      November 9, 2015 @ 12:39 pm

      Thanks for posting these. I’m looking forward to listening to them.

    • Rivers
      November 9, 2015 @ 8:39 pm

      Hi Servetus,

      I listened to the first part of your debate and thought it was done well. I especially like the way the debate was limited to only passages from the Hebrew scriptures. You did a particularly good job addressing the “multiple YHWHs” issues.

  3. Rivers
    November 8, 2015 @ 4:35 pm

    Excellent video.

  4. Roman
    November 7, 2015 @ 6:39 am

    It’s a very hard hitting argument, the problem is that to get out of it the trinitarian has to have 2 definitions of God (or even more than that actually). Once they allow that then they have a problem with their super-strict definition of monotheism, one God sure, but which definition? Then it opens to door for when Jesus is called Theos to mean God in a different sense.

    The trinitarian apologe

  5. David Waltz
    November 2, 2015 @ 12:41 pm

    Hi Dale,

    My thoughts on #2: “God” is used in a different sense than most modern folk use the term.

    Grace and peace,

    David

    • Dale Tuggy
      November 13, 2015 @ 4:30 pm

      Sure. But we me distinguish “Jesus is God” (j = g) from “Jesus is [rightly called or addressed as] “God.”” And both of those from “Jesus is divine.”

      It’s the first which I discuss in the post. I agree with the second. The third I think is too vague to agree or disagree with, as it stands.