Dale Tuggy

Dale Tuggy is Professor of Philosophy at the State University of New York at Fredonia, where he teaches courses in analytic theology, philosophy of religion, religious studies, and the history of philosophy.

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  1. EdwardTBabinski
    September 14, 2015 @ 7:13 pm

    Why are there atheists?

    How can atheists even exist if all the Christian apologetic arguments are as convincing as apologists claim such arguments are?

    Is Randal saying that the existence of atheists is something no one in the Bible ever mentioned or imagined?

    • Miguel de Servet
      September 18, 2015 @ 4:58 pm

      Edward

      Is Randal saying that the existence of atheists is something no one in the Bible ever mentioned or imagined?

      This cannot be, because …

      The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They act corruptly, they make a deed evil; there is none that does good. (Psalm 14:1)

      But see what “the fool” really thinks:

      4 The wicked in his proud countenance does not seek [God]; God [is] in none of his thoughts. (…) 11 He has said in his heart, “God has forgotten; He hides His face; He will never see.” (Psalm 10:4,11)

      • Roman
        September 21, 2015 @ 7:22 am

        The Fool says there is no YHWH, the fool could absolutely be a theist in some sense.
        I don’t think Psalm’s is talking about intellectual atheists at all.

        • Miguel de Servet
          September 21, 2015 @ 2:16 pm

          The Fool [sic] says there is no YHWH, the fool could absolutely be a theist in some sense.

          What sense?

          I don’t think Psalm’s is talking about intellectual atheists at all.

          I have already considered that. See the comment on Psalm 10:4,11.

          • Roman
            September 22, 2015 @ 11:15 am

            You’re right about psalm 14:1, sloppy mistake on my part, my bad.

            But I still hold to the idea that we are talking about someone who in his heart believes there is no God, I.e. How he lives and acts. I think there is a difference between that and an intellectual position.

            • Miguel de Servet
              September 22, 2015 @ 12:11 pm

              Roman

              … I still hold to the idea that we are talking about someone who in his heart believes there is no God, I.e. How he lives and acts. I think there is a difference between that and an intellectual position.

              The difference may not be so great, nor so difficult to bridge. In Dale’s latest post (podcast 105 – Dr. James Spiegel on The Making of an Atheist) we read:

              “Dr. James Spiegel, professor of Philosophy and Religion at Taylor University, argues that unbelief results more from the will than from the mind.”

              Or, IOW, intellectual atheism may be the consequence of “ethical atheism”.

              I am not entirely sure that this is the case (I believe there can be bona fide intellectual atheist, or at least radical agnostics). OTOH I seriously doubt the sincerity of emphatic militant atheists like the “Four Horsemen”: Dawkins, Dennet, Harris and the late Hitchens.

              • Roman
                September 22, 2015 @ 3:10 pm

                It depends, for example I can point to intellectual theists who live their lives as if there was no God, and atheists who live as if there was God.

                I can tell you that some hedge fund manager who loves his entire life for the persist of profit and pleasure, may have an intellectual belief in God, he may go to church, but certainly he doesn’t live like it.

                You may then have someone who dedicates his entire life for justice for the poor and disadvantaged, who does not believe in God, say for example due to the problem of evil, or his upbringing in a culture preaching naturalism, but he certainly lives like he beliefs in the transcendent, and probably deep down he does.

                Things are not that simple.

                But take hitchens as an example, he hates God, but yet he could never divorce himself from a belief in absolute moral value (and it seems like he took that seriously) compare that to a figure like Donald trump, who claims belief in God and I believe him, but certainly doesn’t display any sign of it being in his heart.

                • Miguel de Servet
                  September 23, 2015 @ 3:27 am

                  Roman

                  … take hitchens as an example, he hates God, but yet he could never divorce himself from a belief in absolute moral value (and it seems like he took that seriously) compare that to a figure like Donald trump, who claims belief in God and I believe him, but certainly doesn’t display any sign of it being in his heart.

                  Yes, I agree. As you say, “tthings are not that simple”.

  2. Still Talking Atheism on The Trinities Podcast | Randal Rauser
    September 14, 2015 @ 4:35 pm

    […] Part 2 of my interview on Dale Tuggy’s Trinities Podcast. To comment on the episode you can also visit the Trinities website here. […]