Time for mutual interrogations! This is the best part of this debate.
Finnegan questions Bosserman: 1:24:35 – 1:36:19
- F: Was the incarnate Jesus immortal?
- B: Only in his divine nature. So, yes, he was.
- F But then, he can’t die.
- B: The human nature can.
- F: So not God, but the impersonal human nature died?
- B: No, Jesus died as a man; I’m no docetist.
- F: I’m unclear on the answer then. Did Jesus die or not? If he exp’d a human death, he died, no?
- B: Why bring in a Freudian idea like ego? Anyway, it’s a mystery. One person experienced the realities of both natures. This is an old claim.
- F: Don’t care about Freud. Rather, you say Jesus can atone only because he’s God. But the thing, the nature, that makes him God doesn’t die. How can this be?
- B: He can atone because he is “our covenantal head.” Didn’t say he can atone b/c he’s God, but only that he’s righteous b/c he’s God. No man can be righteous post-Fall.
- F: So Adam not righteous?
- B: No, he was. This pre-Fall. Only a divine being could save us.
- F: I agree [that Adam was righteous?]
- F: During his earthly ministry, was Jesus omniscient?
- B: Yes, the logos was, so Jesus was.
- F: Was he lying when he said he didn’t know when he was coming back?
- B: No. God can occupy radically different perspectives at the same time.
- F: I ask you for $5. You say you don’t have it. Then you give $5 to someone else. Confronted, you clarify that you lacked $5 in your left hand but had $5 in your right.[ Hence, on your view, Jesus lied.]
- B: Bad analogy. [Sort of suggests that it is beyond human capacity to say how it is bad.]
- F: Need clarification on John 17:3. Who is = to the only true God here?
- B: Father.
- F: Then, you’re not a trinitarian, right?
- B: Yes I am. I say the Father is divine, but so is the Son, and the first doesn’t exclude the second. Compare: Amos 3:2. Here Israel “alone” was chosen, but clearly, so was Judah, Levi, etc. Because “Israel” here represents all the Hebrew tribes. Just so, any member of the Trinity may represent the whole of the Trinity.
- F: If I say then that I’m the only one debating you now, this is consistent with others also debating you now?
- B: No, but the case is different with God.
- F: Your position looks unfalsifiable; there is always this escape clause that things are different with God.
- B: “Unfalsifiable” a recent idea, and it’s false that a statement must be falsifiable to be true.
- F: That’s not right.
- B: No proof-text for “unfalsifiability” criterion of truth. God’s word the ultimate criterion. God is ultimate, and we can’t question him.
- F: Is Jesus Yahweh?
- B: Yes.
- F: But if the Father is also Yahweh, how is it that Yahweh is one?
- B: They have one essence/being.
Oddly, Bosserman refuses to look at Finnegan during this discussion, even while Finnegan is speaking to and looking right at him.
Round to Finnegan.