{"id":1160,"date":"2010-02-09T04:33:06","date_gmt":"2010-02-09T09:33:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=1160"},"modified":"2015-02-20T12:35:52","modified_gmt":"2015-02-20T17:35:52","slug":"linkage-fesers-negative-mysterian-defense-of-the-trinity-dale","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/linkage-fesers-negative-mysterian-defense-of-the-trinity-dale\/","title":{"rendered":"Feser&#8217;s Negative Mysterian Defense of the Trinity"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_1161\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1161\" style=\"width: 500px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-1161   \" title=\"phaser - Stark Trek\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/phaser-Stark-Trek.jpg\" alt=\"Phaser\" width=\"500\" height=\"415\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/phaser-Stark-Trek.jpg 500w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/phaser-Stark-Trek-300x249.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/phaser-Stark-Trek-420x349.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/phaser-Stark-Trek-460x382.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/phaser-Stark-Trek-90x75.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1161\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">No &#8211; that&#8217;s F E S E R. But I can be set to either stun or kill.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>At his self-titled blog <a title=\"Edward Feser blog\" href=\"http:\/\/edwardfeser.blogspot.com\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Edward Feser<\/strong><\/a>, the Catholic philosopher &amp; popular author mounts <a title=\"Trinity Sunday post on the Trinity\" href=\"http:\/\/edwardfeser.blogspot.com\/2009\/06\/trinity-sunday.html\"><strong>a negative mysterian defense of the Trinity<\/strong><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s worth a read. In my view, most of it is perfectly reasonable, but it goes wrong where he claims that the teaching of Christ as recording in the New Testament<em> logically implies<\/em> the creedal formulas about the Trinity.<\/p>\n<p>The defense of mystery appeals by comparison with naturalistic &#8220;mysterian&#8221; theories in non-religious matters is intriguing, and I wish he&#8217;d developed it more.<\/p>\n<p>In sum, <strong>a well done post<\/strong> &#8211; but a stun, not a kill.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Update:<a title=\"round 2 from Ed\" href=\"http:\/\/edwardfeser.blogspot.com\/2010\/02\/trinity-and-mystery.html\" target=\"_blank\"> the Feser fires another volley<\/a> <\/strong>(at me, and at the Maverick Philosopher). This one is even more interesting. Ed&#8217;s brand of negative mysterianism is highly developed &#8211; almost as much as James Anderson&#8217;s positive mysterianism, and I will respond in due course. Thanks, Ed, for the good conversation!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Further Update<\/strong>: Ed makes some <a title=\"Ed Feser on Mackie on ad hoc fallacy\" href=\"http:\/\/edwardfeser.blogspot.com\/2010\/02\/mackie-on-ad-hoc-hypotheses.html\">apt comments<\/a> regarding charges of <em>ad hoc<\/em> hypotheses, and takes <a title=\"Ed's last word on mysteries\" href=\"http:\/\/edwardfeser.blogspot.com\/2010\/02\/tuggy-contra-mysterianism.html\">a stance I think is wrong-headed<\/a>, rejecting what he calls &#8220;theistic personalism&#8221; or &#8220;neo-theism&#8221;, but which most of us just call &#8220;theism&#8221; or &#8220;monotheism&#8221;!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>At his self-titled blog Edward Feser, the Catholic philosopher &amp; popular author mounts a negative mysterian defense of the Trinity. It&#8217;s worth a read. In my view, most of it is perfectly reasonable, but it goes wrong where he claims that the teaching of Christ as recording in the New Testament logically implies the creedal&hellip;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/linkage-fesers-negative-mysterian-defense-of-the-trinity-dale\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Read More &raquo;<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Feser&#8217;s Negative Mysterian Defense of the Trinity<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":1161,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,8,38,20,9,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1160","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-linkage","category-monotheism","category-mystery","category-philosophy","category-theories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1160","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1160"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1160\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":34783,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1160\/revisions\/34783"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/1161"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1160"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1160"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1160"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}