{"id":139,"date":"2007-07-09T10:16:04","date_gmt":"2007-07-09T10:16:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/archives\/139"},"modified":"2015-03-06T22:25:04","modified_gmt":"2015-03-07T03:25:04","slug":"error-in-counting","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/error-in-counting\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;an Error in counting&#8230;&#8221; Who wrote this?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"center\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/nyequote1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"461\" height=\"266\" \/><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve seen this passage quoted by at least three of my favorite Christian philosophers. Unfortunately, they&#8217;ve <strong>misattributed it to the famous English antitrinitarian <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/John_Biddle_%28Unitarian%29\">John Biddle<\/a><\/strong> (also spelled Bidle) (1615-62).<\/p>\n<p>I believe it was <a href=\"http:\/\/polyglot.lss.wisc.edu\/philosophy\/PEOPLE\/FACULTY\/KY.HTM\">Keith Yandell<\/a> who found it in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/doctrine-Trinity-Croall-lectures-1942-1943\/dp\/B0007J6RZQ\/ref=sr_1_1\/104-6273707-1290305?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1183579323&amp;sr=8-1\">this old book<\/a>, where it is misattributed to Biddle. Why did the theologian Leonard Hodgson make this mistake? I&#8217;ve seen a copy of the book, the one which is microfiched, in which a &#8220;helpful&#8221; librarian or someone has written Biddle&#8217;s name on the cover page. (No author is named in the book.) While some of Biddle&#8217;s tracts were republished towards the end of the 17th century, this isn&#8217;t one of them. It was first published in 1687, and sparked a pretty heated trinitarian controversy which lasted about the next ten years or so. Historians have long attributed it to Stephen Nye (1647\/8-1719). So, this quote is from his <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/content\/726841\">A Brief History of the Unitarians, Called Also Socinians. In Four Letters, Written to a Friend<\/a>.<\/em> Whatever you think about the Trinity, you have to admit that it&#8217;s <strong>a wonderful piece of rhetoric<\/strong>. Here&#8217;s the whole paragraph, it all its oddly formatted glory:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>To conclude; Theirs [i.e. the unitarians] (they say) is an accountable and a reasonable Faith; but that of the <em>Trinitarians<\/em> is absurd, and contrary both to Reason and <em>to it self<\/em>, and therefore not only false, but <em>impossible<\/em>. For you (say they) teach, there are three almighty, and most wise Persons, and yet but one God; as if every <em>Almighty and most wise Person<\/em> were not a God, and consequently three such Persons, three Gods. You add yet more absurdly, that there are three Persons who are <em>severally and each of them true God,<\/em> and yet there is but one true God: This is <em>an Error in counting or numbring<\/em>; which when stood in, is of all others the most brutal and inexcusable; and not to discern it, is not to be a Man. But we would not (say they) trouble our selves at the at the non-sense of this Doctrine, if it did not impose false Gods on us; by advancing two to be Gods, who are not so: and rob also the one true God of the Honour due to him, and of which he is jealous. (24-5)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Interestingly, <strong>there&#8217;s something misleading about the quote<\/strong>. It&#8217;s attracted Christian philosophers because they&#8217;re interested in the apologetic project of fending off people who claim the doctrine of the Trinity is contradictory. But the bulk of the book (letters 2-4) is instead devoted to two <strong>other lines of attack<\/strong>, namely that the Bible doesn&#8217;t support the doctrine, and that it teaches things inconsistent with it. The above is practically the only &#8220;philosophical&#8221; objection to the Trinity therein, and it&#8217;s <strong>almost an afterthought<\/strong>! Most of the rest consists of attempts to knock down trinitarian Bible exegesis in favor of the Unitarian readings. Maybe some day I&#8217;ll blog or write about this interesting book and the controversy which ensued (a nice overview of which is in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/content\/750610\">here<\/a>).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve seen this passage quoted by at least three of my favorite Christian philosophers. Unfortunately, they&#8217;ve misattributed it to the famous English antitrinitarian John Biddle (also spelled Bidle) (1615-62). I believe it was Keith Yandell who found it in this old book, where it is misattributed to Biddle. Why did the theologian Leonard Hodgson make&hellip;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/error-in-counting\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Read More &raquo;<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">&#8220;an Error in counting&#8230;&#8221; Who wrote this?<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":138,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[16,6,9,7,13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-139","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-books","category-complaints","category-philosophy","category-quotes","category-theologians"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/139","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=139"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/139\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":35031,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/139\/revisions\/35031"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/138"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=139"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=139"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=139"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}