{"id":1447,"date":"2010-02-04T10:30:25","date_gmt":"2010-02-04T15:30:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=1447"},"modified":"2015-01-24T08:44:36","modified_gmt":"2015-01-24T13:44:36","slug":"linkage-vallicella-and-lukas-on-supposita-dale","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/linkage-vallicella-and-lukas-on-supposita-dale\/","title":{"rendered":"Linkage: Vallicella and Lukas on Supposita"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_1448\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1448\" style=\"width: 500px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-1448 \" style=\"border: 12px solid white;\" title=\"SUPPOSITORY\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/SUPPOSITORY.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/SUPPOSITORY.jpg 500w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/SUPPOSITORY-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/SUPPOSITORY-420x315.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/SUPPOSITORY-460x345.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/SUPPOSITORY-90x68.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1448\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">No, suppositUM &#8211; settle down, kitty!<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Thanks to Vlastimil Voh\u00e1nka for referring us to<strong><a href=\"http:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/maverick_philosopher\/2010\/01\/supposita.html?cid=6a010535ce1cf6970c01287759a6a1970c#comment-6a010535ce1cf6970c01287759a6a1970c\" target=\"_blank\"> this discussion<\/a><\/strong> between Maverick Philosopher Bill Vallicella and Dr. Lukas Novak of Charles University, Prague.<\/p>\n<p>As I understand it,<strong> a <em>suppositum<\/em> is supposed to be an <em>ultimate<\/em> subject of characteristics<\/strong> \/ properties, as distinct from non-ultimate subjects. My individual human nature is supposed to be suppositum, but Christ&#8217;s is not.<\/p>\n<p>One ought to be a <em>little<\/em> suspicious of this supposita theory, as apparently it was originally formulated just to deal with Incarnation difficulties, that is, to come up with a coherent reading of the creed of Chalcedon. Apart from this, apparently it&#8217;s hard to come up with any metaphysical work for this theory to do.<\/p>\n<p>I confess that <strong>I don&#8217;t understand<\/strong> how this concept is being applied to come up with a consistent Trinity theory. Should I add a section to the entry?<\/p>\n<p>Dr. Novak says,<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Regarding my place in the classification of trinitarian theories in the SEP: frankly, it seems to me that the traditional orthodox position (which I hope I maintain :-)) is not listed. It is located somewhere under the &#8220;Latin trinitarianism&#8221;, but none of the modern attempts to capture it seems to do justice to it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I <em>think<\/em>, based on <a href=\"http:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/maverick_philosopher\/2010\/01\/supposita.html?cid=6a010535ce1cf6970c0128775b21b5970c#comment-6a010535ce1cf6970c0128775b21b5970c\">what he says in that comment<\/a>, he&#8217;s what I call a<strong> negative mysterian<\/strong>, although with some more metaphysical speculations added than the ancient &#8220;fathers&#8221; thought possible or advisable. As I think of it, mysterianism comes in both kinds and degrees, and is usually combined with another, apparently more positive Trinity theory.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thanks to Vlastimil Voh\u00e1nka for referring us to this discussion between Maverick Philosopher Bill Vallicella and Dr. Lukas Novak of Charles University, Prague. As I understand it, a suppositum is supposed to be an ultimate subject of characteristics \/ properties, as distinct from non-ultimate subjects. My individual human nature is supposed to be suppositum, but&hellip;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/linkage-vallicella-and-lukas-on-supposita-dale\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Read More &raquo;<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Linkage: Vallicella and Lukas on Supposita<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":1448,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1447","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-theories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1447","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1447"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1447\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":34622,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1447\/revisions\/34622"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/1448"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1447"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1447"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1447"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}