{"id":200,"date":"2007-10-26T08:51:09","date_gmt":"2007-10-26T08:51:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/archives\/200"},"modified":"2007-10-26T12:51:49","modified_gmt":"2007-10-26T12:51:49","slug":"the-latin-trinity-chart-2-a-version-of-fsh-modalism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-latin-trinity-chart-2-a-version-of-fsh-modalism\/","title":{"rendered":"The Latin Trinity Chart 2 &#8211; a version of FSH modalism"},"content":{"rendered":"<p STYLE=\"text-align: center\"><img SRC=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/trinity-diagram-for-blog1.png\" STYLE=\"width: 592px; height: 350px\" WIDTH=\"592\" HEIGHT=\"350\" \/><\/p>\n<p ALIGN=\"center\">\u00a0<font: size=\"extra-small\"><em>Let&#8217;s\u00a0try\u00a0this\u00a0again<\/em>.<\/font:><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s<strong> a second application for my Latin Trinity chart<\/strong> (see<a HREF=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/archives\/191\" TARGET=\"_blank\" TITLE=\"first post on the Latin Trinity chart\"> the first post<\/a> for what the letters designate). Let&#8217;s say that a state of affairs is a thing\/substance having a property at a time or timelessly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The \u201cpersons\u201d here are just modes of D<\/strong>, that is, states of affairs involving D. So the Son just is D having Fi. And the Father just is D having P. And the Holy Spirit just is D having Sp. Regarding each of F, S, and H, each of them \u201cjust is\u201d D &#8211; in the sense that in each of them, there is one and the same D.<!--more--> Similarly, T \u201cjust is\u201d D &#8211; that is, it is just the state of affairs of D eternally having Fi, Sp, and P. How many things \/ substances are here? Just one &#8211; D. How many states of affairs? Three plus a fourth which is just the sum of the three (the Trinity). So of the Trinity, and of F, S, and, H &#8211; each of these (states of affairs) \u201cjust is God\u201d in that there\u2019s no other thing involved &#8211; only D. The persons are distinct (modes) and so not \u201cconfused\u201d. Again, there really is a threesome there &#8211; the threeness isn\u2019t an illusion, and isn\u2019t only relative to our thoughts or perceptions of D. D really is a constituent of  &#8211; the only substantial constituent of &#8211; those states of affairs (F, S, H, T).<\/p>\n<p><strong>Does this pass the tests of orthodoxy? Arguably, yes.<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li> Are each of the persons \u201cfully and equally divine\u201d? Yep &#8211; each is as divine as anything is, as each has D as component<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Are F, S, and H <em>homoousias<\/em> (same substance or essence)? They are, for they equally share D.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Are there three distinct \u201cpersons\u201d? Yes &#8211; F, S, and H are most assuredly distinct (non-identical).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Is there but one God? Yes &#8211; T is the one God.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Are the persons individuated by only the their unique relational properties (P, Fi, and Sp)? Yes &#8211; those are all that distinguist one from another.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> Is this compatible with divine simplicity? If the doctrine of divine simplicity says there are no distinct components or properties in the divine nature\/essence (D), then yes &#8211; nothing in the chart requires any complexity in D. T is complex, of course &#8211; but what else do you expect, when it is the case that there are three \u201dpersons\u201d in the one God.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li> T really is composed of F, S, and H &#8211; those are not merely ways that T appears. Further, it is plausible that those three states of affairs are essential to T, in that T couldn\u2019t exist without them.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Finally, is this a variety of modalism? Yes<\/strong> &#8211; specifically, eternally &#8211; concurrent, noumenal FSH modalism. Tentative conclusion: you may be a modalist of this sort and an orthodox trinitarian, as those in the \u201dLatin\u201d tradition view orthodoxy.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0Let&#8217;s\u00a0try\u00a0this\u00a0again. Here&#8217;s a second application for my Latin Trinity chart (see the first post for what the letters designate). Let&#8217;s say that a state of affairs is a thing\/substance having a property at a time or timelessly. The \u201cpersons\u201d here are just modes of D, that is, states of affairs involving D. 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