{"id":27051,"date":"2015-01-12T09:38:44","date_gmt":"2015-01-12T14:38:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=27051"},"modified":"2017-04-01T21:23:26","modified_gmt":"2017-04-02T01:23:26","slug":"podcast-70-the-one-god-and-his-son-according-to-john","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-70-the-one-god-and-his-son-according-to-john\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 70 &#8211; The one God and his Son according to John"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_5211\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-27051-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities070.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities070.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities070.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities070.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=27051-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities070.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities070.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-27052\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john-movie-smiling.png\" alt=\"Jesus in the gospel of john movie smiling\" width=\"459\" height=\"296\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john-movie-smiling.png 668w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john-movie-smiling-300x194.png 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john-movie-smiling-420x271.png 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john-movie-smiling-460x297.png 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john-movie-smiling-90x58.png 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 459px) 100vw, 459px\" \/>When it comes to God and Jesus, does the <strong>fourth gospel contradict<\/strong> the first three?<\/p>\n<p>Some scholars have thought so.\u00a0Everyone agrees that John was written last, and many have seen <strong>an evolution<\/strong> from lower to higher christologies. The idea is that in Mark, Jesus is a human messiah (full stop), but by the time we get to John, Jesus is not only a Messiah, but a god-man &#8211; either <strong>God himself<\/strong>, in human form, or at least <strong>God the Son, equally divine<\/strong> with God the Father.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I disagree with this evolutionary hypothesis about New Testament christology<\/strong>. And so do many recent scholars. We think that while each of the four gospels has its own distinct voice, terminology, and interests, their pictures of God and Jesus are <em>basically<\/em> consistent.<\/p>\n<p>But I think some such scholars have got it <strong>backwards<\/strong>. Trying to show the fundamental agreement of the gospels, some have argued that even in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus is God himself and\/or God the Son, as divine as God the Father. I think that case simply can&#8217;t be made; it goes hard against the grain of the texts.<\/p>\n<p>In my view,\u00a0<strong>the fourth has been the most misunderstood gospel<\/strong>. In the gospel according to John, just as in the synoptic gospels, Jesus is God&#8217;s human Messiah &#8211; <em>not<\/em> God himself, not a god-man, not the second Person of the Trinity, consubstantial with the Father, and not equally divine with the Father. Both patristic theologians\u00a0and recent evangelical apologists have, in their zeal, misread this book &#8211; the former seeing it as anticipating fourth century creeds, and the latter simply confusing Jesus and God, and projecting that confusion onto the author of this gospel.\u00a0<a title=\"trinities podcast episode 70\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities%20070%20-%20The%20one%20God%20and%20his%20Son%20according%20to%20John_160k.mp3\" target=\"_blank\">In this talk<\/a>, presented on November 8, 2014 at the Society of Christian Philosophers meeting at Niagara University, I sketch out a\u00a0case that <strong>John&#8217;s central message<\/strong> is the Jesus is God&#8217;s human Messiah. Leaving aside any controversial philosophical theses, I stick with the indisputable tools of logic, a few self-evident truths, and the clear statements\u00a0of this gospel.<\/p>\n<p>Do I make a <strong>convincing case? Why or why not?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"trinities podcast episode 70 on youtube\" href=\"http:\/\/youtu.be\/2gaxOLsXHSs\" target=\"_blank\">The <strong>youtube version<\/strong><\/a> features my simple slides; the talk should be understandable with or without them &#8211; though the slides will give you all the references to this gospel.<\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode on<\/strong>\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">stitcher<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0or <strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/id690304581?mt=2&amp;uo=4&amp;at=11l5XS\" target=\"_blank\">itunes<\/a>\u00a0(please subscribe, rate, and review<\/strong> us in either or both).<\/p>\n<p>If you would like to\u00a0<strong>upload audio feedback<\/strong> for possible inclusion in a future episode of this podcast,\u00a0<a title=\"upload audio feedback for the trinities podcast here\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mediafire.com\/filedrop\/filedrop_hosted.php?drop=96df5ea43b9b7c6582cb95b8c5a7259d7cd8109e0cd009d4a5ecd099cc7e64fb\" target=\"_blank\">put the audio file here<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In my view, the fourth has been the most misunderstood gospel.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":27052,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,15,6,33,10,9,57,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-27051","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-christology","category-complaints","category-incarnation","category-logic","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27051","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=27051"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27051\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":38776,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27051\/revisions\/38776"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/27052"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=27051"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=27051"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=27051"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}