{"id":27098,"date":"2015-01-19T13:53:35","date_gmt":"2015-01-19T18:53:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=27098"},"modified":"2016-03-22T21:04:08","modified_gmt":"2016-03-23T01:04:08","slug":"podcast-71-proverbs-8-jesus-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-71-proverbs-8-jesus-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 71 &#8211; Is Proverbs 8 about Jesus? Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7596\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-27098-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities071.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities071.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities071.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities071.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=27098-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities071.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities071.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><blockquote><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-27099\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/wisdom-speaks.jpg\" alt=\"wisdom speaks\" width=\"481\" height=\"333\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/wisdom-speaks.jpg 481w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/wisdom-speaks-300x208.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/wisdom-speaks-420x291.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/wisdom-speaks-460x318.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/wisdom-speaks-90x62.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 481px) 100vw, 481px\" \/><span class=\"text Prov-8-22\">The <span class=\"small-caps\">Lord<\/span> created me at the beginning of his work,<\/span><span class=\"indent-1\"><span class=\"indent-1-breaks\">\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"text Prov-8-22\">the first of his acts of long ago.<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span class=\"indent-1\"><span class=\"text Prov-8-22\"> Is this famous passage in <strong>Proverbs 8<\/strong> about the pre-human<strong> Jesus?<\/strong> Many Christians have thought so. But why?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>In <a title=\"trinities podcast episode 71 mp3\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podpress_trac\/web\/27098\/0\/trinities%20071%20-%20podcast%2071%20-%20Is%20Proverbs%208%20about%20Jesus%20Part%201.mp3\" target=\"_blank\">this episode<\/a>, we hear Proverbs 8 and explore<strong> how this passage is (and isn&#8217;t) interpreted in the New Testament<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>We end up focusing on the <strong>prologue of the gospel according to John<\/strong>, and we hear part of a lecture from George Washington Burnap (1802-59) on how to read John 1 in light of Proverbs 8 and a few other texts from ancient Jewish wisdom literature.<\/p>\n<p>At the <strong>start of this episode<\/strong>, we hear a new review of the podcast from <a title=\"trinities podcast on itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/trinities-podcast-feed\/id690304581?mt=2#\" target=\"_blank\">itunes<\/a>, and I briefly respond to <a title=\"Another Possibility on Christ in John Trinities 070-- to Dale Tuggy\" href=\"http:\/\/youtu.be\/QKusicFabR8\" target=\"_blank\">this long response by Mr. Eliseo Rodriguez<\/a> to <a title=\"podcast episode 70 \u2013 The one God and his Son according to John\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-episode-70-the-one-god-and-his-son-according-to-john\/\" target=\"_blank\">episode 70<\/a>. I bring in an insight on John 1:1 from the famous patristic scholar and apologist Nathaniel Lardner (1684-1768).<\/p>\n<p>In our\u00a0next episode, we&#8217;ll look at how Proverbs 8 was interpreted in the second and third Christian centuries.<\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode on<\/strong>\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">stitcher<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0or <strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/id690304581?mt=2&amp;uo=4&amp;at=11l5XS\" target=\"_blank\">itunes<\/a>\u00a0(please subscribe, rate, and review<\/strong>\u00a0us in either or both). \u00a0It is also available on <a title=\"trinities podcast youtube playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLMCt15e8gG-g7t7wo9MCq9KSDSsvGNcsm\" target=\"_blank\">youtube <\/a>(scroll down \u2013 you can\u00a0<a title=\"youtube subscription link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/khanpadawan?sub_confirmation=1\" target=\"_blank\">subscribe here<\/a>). If you would like to\u00a0<strong>upload audio feedback<\/strong> for possible inclusion in a future episode of this podcast,\u00a0<a title=\"upload audio feedback for the trinities podcast here\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mediafire.com\/filedrop\/filedrop_hosted.php?drop=96df5ea43b9b7c6582cb95b8c5a7259d7cd8109e0cd009d4a5ecd099cc7e64fb\" target=\"_blank\">put the audio file here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a title=\"Eliseo Rodriguez reponds to the trinities podcast episode 70\" href=\"http:\/\/youtu.be\/QKusicFabR8\" target=\"_blank\">a response to episode 70 by Mr. Eliseo Rodriguez<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"trinities podcast episode 70\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-episode-70-the-one-god-and-his-son-according-to-john\/\" target=\"_blank\">episode 70 &#8211; The one God and his Son according to John<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"reprint of Nathaniel Lardner on the Trinity\" href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/nathaniel-lardner\/lardner-on-the-trinity\/paperback\/product-4072119.html\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Lardner on the Trinity<\/em><\/a>\n<ul>\n<li>contains his <em>A Letter Written in the Year 1730, Concerning the Question, Whether the Logos Supplied the Place of an Human Soul in the Person of Jesus Christ? <\/em><\/li>\n<li>He argues for a negative answer.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>George W. Burnap&#8217;s <em><a title=\"George Washington Burnap on the Trinity\" href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/george-w-burnap\/expository-lectures-on-the-principal-passages-of-the-scriptures-which-relate-to-the-doctrine-of-the-trinity\/paperback\/product-3779512.html\" target=\"_blank\">Expository Lectures on the Principal Passages of the Scriptures which relate to the Doctrine of the Trinity<\/a><\/em> (<a title=\"George Washington Burnap on the Trinity\" href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/george-w-burnap\/expository-lectures-on-the-principal-passages-of-the-scriptures-which-relate-to-the-doctrine-of-the-trinity\/ebook\/product-17504971.html\" target=\"_blank\">pdf<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a title=\"John 1, in three translations\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=John%201%3A1-14&amp;version=NRSV;NIV;ESV\" target=\"_blank\">John 1<\/a> and <a title=\"1 John 1, in three translations\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=1+John+1%3A1-4&amp;version=NRSV;NIV;ESV\" target=\"_blank\">1 John 1<\/a>\u00a0and <a title=\"Proverbs 8, in three translations\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=proverbs+8&amp;version=NRSV;NIV;ESV\" target=\"_blank\">Proverbs 8<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This episode&#8217;s thinking music is the song\u00a0<a title=\"Hachiko (The Faithful Dog) by The Kyoto Connection\" href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/The_Kyoto_Connection\/Wake_Up_1957\/09_Hachiko_The_Faithtful_Dog\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cHachiko (The Faithtful Dog)\u201d<\/a> by <a title=\"The Kyoto Connection band\" href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/The_Kyoto_Connection\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Kyoto Connection<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;The Lord created me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of long ago.&#8221; Is this famous passage in Proverbs 8 about the pre-human Jesus?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":27099,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,15,14,57,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-27098","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-christology","category-history","category-podcast","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27098","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=27098"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27098\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":37384,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27098\/revisions\/37384"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/27099"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=27098"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=27098"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=27098"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}