{"id":305,"date":"2008-04-30T02:33:00","date_gmt":"2008-04-30T02:33:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/archives\/305"},"modified":"2015-01-29T06:48:05","modified_gmt":"2015-01-29T11:48:05","slug":"the-cerberus-analogy-revisited","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-cerberus-analogy-revisited\/","title":{"rendered":"The Cerberus analogy revisited"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright  wp-image-34694\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/siamese-twins.jpg\" alt=\"conjoined twins\" width=\"500\" height=\"299\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/siamese-twins.jpg 562w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/siamese-twins-300x179.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/siamese-twins-420x251.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/siamese-twins-460x275.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/siamese-twins-90x54.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/>Remember Moreland&#8217;s and Craig&#8217;s <strong>Cerberus analogy<\/strong> for the Trinity? <a title=\"Part 1 of the series on Trinity monotheism\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/morelands-and-criags-trinity-monotheism-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">(background here, <\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=trinity+monotheism+part\">whole series here<\/a>) Daniel Howard-Snyder <a title=\"Part 6 - Daniel Howard-Snyder's objections to Trinity monotheism\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/trinity-monotheism-part-6-attack-of-the-dan\/\" target=\"_blank\">objected<\/a>: come on, that&#8217;s clearly <strong>three dogs with overlapping bodies<\/strong>, not <strong>one dog with three centers of consciousness<\/strong> or with three minds. And they don&#8217;t want to say that the Trinity is <strong>three overlapping gods<\/strong>, so ditch the analogy already. The discussion degenerated into pointing at pictures and saying &#8220;Clearly one turtle with two heads&#8221; vs. &#8220;No, clearly three turtles with overlapping bodies&#8221;. I sided with Dan, citing <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/archives\/100\" target=\"_blank\">good old Eng and Chang<\/a>, among other things.<\/p>\n<p>Now I&#8217;ve learned of<strong> some unusual Siamese twins &#8211; ones <em>so<\/em> conjoined that people can refer to them as &#8220;the girl with two heads&#8221;<\/strong>. But pretty plainly, their friends and teachers think of them as two persons with overlapping bodies. See for yourself &#8211; a living, breathing human Cerberus (OK 2\/3 of a Cerberus &#8211; and much nicer, I&#8217;d say).<\/p>\n<p><center><object width=\"425\" height=\"355\" classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"wmode\" value=\"transparent\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/MiSuyuOOBR8&amp;hl=en\" \/><embed width=\"425\" height=\"355\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/MiSuyuOOBR8&amp;hl=en\" wmode=\"transparent\" \/><\/object><\/center><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\">The word <strong>&#8220;girl&#8221; may refer to an organism, or to a person<\/strong>. There&#8217;s arguably one organism here, but there are most assuredly two persons, two selves. A dude who married them would be a bigamist, not a monogamist with one wife with two minds or centers of consciousness. And their parents have <em>two<\/em> daughters.<\/p>\n<p align=\"left\">Not so, it seems, here below &#8211; I <em>assume<\/em> there&#8217;s <em>one <\/em>self here, as well as one organism. (For the record, I&#8217;ll add that I would count <strong>zero goddesses <\/strong>here.)<\/p>\n<p><center><object width=\"425\" height=\"355\" classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"wmode\" value=\"transparent\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/ZbC04A9nUmU&amp;hl=en\" \/><embed width=\"425\" height=\"355\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/ZbC04A9nUmU&amp;hl=en\" wmode=\"transparent\" \/><\/object><\/center><\/p>\n<p align=\"left\">Thus unto us is born is <strong>a new form of argument<\/strong>:<em> argumentum ad videum<\/em>. Or: <em>modus iutubus<\/em>. Or: <em>reductio ad observum<\/em>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You can plainly see in this youtube clip that P.<br \/>\nTherefore, P.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Now philosophers can waste even more time on Youtube, trolling for support for their favorite theories. \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Remember Moreland&#8217;s and Craig&#8217;s Cerberus analogy for the Trinity? (background here, whole series here) Daniel Howard-Snyder objected: come on, that&#8217;s clearly three dogs with overlapping bodies, not one dog with three centers of consciousness or with three minds. And they don&#8217;t want to say that the Trinity is three overlapping gods, so ditch the analogy&hellip;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-cerberus-analogy-revisited\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Read More &raquo;<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">The Cerberus analogy revisited<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":34694,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[6,56,8,9,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-305","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-complaints","category-interview","category-linkage","category-philosophy","category-theories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/305","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=305"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/305\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":34697,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/305\/revisions\/34697"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/34694"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=305"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=305"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=305"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}