{"id":310,"date":"2008-05-05T20:39:00","date_gmt":"2008-05-05T20:39:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/archives\/310"},"modified":"2014-03-31T00:04:31","modified_gmt":"2014-03-31T04:04:31","slug":"linkage-bbc-radio-discussion-an-australian-magazine-on-nicea","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/linkage-bbc-radio-discussion-an-australian-magazine-on-nicea\/","title":{"rendered":"BBC Radio Discussion &amp; an Australian magazine on Nicea"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7021\"><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/www.bbc.co.uk\/radio4\/history\/inourtime\/rams\/inourtime_20071227.ram\" title=\"Play\" target=\"_blank\" style=\"position: relative;\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/powerpress\/black.png\" title=\"Play\" alt=\"Play\" style=\"width: 400px; height: 225px;\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/powerpress\/play_video.png\" title=\"Play\" alt=\"Play\" style=\"position: absolute; bottom:82px; left:170px; border:0;\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_ram\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/www.bbc.co.uk\/radio4\/history\/inourtime\/rams\/inourtime_20071227.ram\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=310-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/www.bbc.co.uk\/radio4\/history\/inourtime\/rams\/inourtime_20071227.ram\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"inourtime_20071227.ram\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><div align=\"center\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 800px;\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/nicene-creed.jpg\" width=\"350\" height=\"407\" \/><br \/>\n<small><i>What&#8217;s up with that weird Angel\/bird\/snake thing? Is that supposed to be Arius?<\/i><\/small><\/div>\n<p><b><a href=\"http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/radio4\/history\/inourtime\/inourtime_20071227.shtml\">At BBC &#8211; Radio 4 In Our Time &#8211; The Nicene Creed<\/a> <\/b>&#8211; A somewhat gassy and academic but nonetheless listenable discussion. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/radio4\/history\/inourtime\/rams\/inourtime_20071227.ram\" target=\"_blank\">Here&#8217;s<\/a> the Real Audio file link. (I thought I listened to this in another audio format, but I can&#8217;t find any such files at the moment.)<\/p>\n<p>Then we&#8217;ve got &#8220;<b><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sightmagazine.com.au\/stories\/great%20moves\/nicenecreed15.4.06.php\" target=\"_blank\"><i>Great Moves of God: The Nicene Creed<\/i><\/a><\/b>&#8221; at the Australian <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sightmagazine.com.au\/index.php\" target=\"_blank\">Sight<\/a> magazine. This story spins the Nicea council as being the arch-logician, perhaps rationalist scripture-twisting Arians vs. the modest, faithful upholders of Christ&#8217;s deity.<\/p>\n<p>An authority is quoted here as saying: &#8220;The participating bishops <b>merely affirmed the historic and standard Christian beliefs<\/b>&#8230;&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>I think this last statement is <b>not just misleading but demonstrably false<\/b>. Further, the whole account is warped by the author&#8217;s allegiances, although the article contains some good information as well, which is why I pass it along.<\/p>\n<p>Was that council, or part of it, or its resulting creed <b>a &#8220;Great Move of God&#8221;<\/b>? Read <a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/080103146X\/002-7329164-3076045\" target=\"_blank\">Hanson<\/a> (if you have a lot of time), <a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0198755058\/002-7329164-3076045\" target=\"_blank\">Ayres<\/a> (if you have a good bit of time), or <a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0156013150\/002-7329164-3076045\" target=\"_blank\">Rubenstein<\/a> (if you have a few hours), and decide for yourself. If you&#8217;re interested in the Arians as such, the best place to start is probably with <a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0199245916\/002-7329164-3076045\" target=\"_blank\">Wiles<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What&#8217;s up with that weird Angel\/bird\/snake thing? Is that supposed to be Arius? At BBC &#8211; Radio 4 In Our Time &#8211; The Nicene Creed &#8211; A somewhat gassy and academic but nonetheless listenable discussion. Here&#8217;s the Real Audio file link. (I thought I listened to this in another audio format, but I can&#8217;t find&hellip;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/linkage-bbc-radio-discussion-an-australian-magazine-on-nicea\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Read More &raquo;<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">BBC Radio Discussion &amp; an Australian magazine on Nicea<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":309,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[16,4,14,8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-310","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-books","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-history","category-linkage"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/310","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=310"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/310\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6091,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/310\/revisions\/6091"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/309"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=310"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=310"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=310"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}