{"id":3126,"date":"2011-09-27T10:23:06","date_gmt":"2011-09-27T14:23:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=3126"},"modified":"2014-12-14T05:22:57","modified_gmt":"2014-12-14T10:22:57","slug":"prothero-on-christianity-jesus-and-the-trinity-dale","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/prothero-on-christianity-jesus-and-the-trinity-dale\/","title":{"rendered":"Prothero on Christianity, Jesus, and the Trinity"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a title=\"Stephen Prothero home page\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stephenprothero.com\/\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-3127\" style=\"border: 12px solid white;\" title=\"dead jesus\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/dead-jesus-278x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"278\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/dead-jesus-278x300.jpg 278w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/dead-jesus-420x453.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/dead-jesus-460x496.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/dead-jesus-90x97.jpg 90w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/dead-jesus.jpg 502w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 278px) 100vw, 278px\" \/><strong>Stephen Prothero<\/strong><\/a>, of Boston University, is the rare professor who is to a household name and face. He&#8217;s been on all sorts of media, and is an able spokesman for the cause of religious literacy. Preach it!<\/p>\n<p>His latest book, <strong><em><a title=\"God is Not One\" href=\"http:\/\/harpercollins.com\/book\/buy.aspx?isbn13=9780061571275\" target=\"_blank\">God is Not One<\/a><\/em><\/strong>, is possibly the best introduction to a variety of religious traditions for the general reader. It&#8217;s well-written, informative, humorous, apt at comparing religions, and I would say pretty fair. I <strong>recommend it<\/strong> overall. The book is worth it just for his bashing of the soft-headed pluralism that infects so many popular books on religion. (Ch.1)<\/p>\n<p>Less positively, Prothero&#8217;s outlook on religion is colored in many ways by the fact that he is<strong> an ex-Christian<\/strong>, having been raised as a <a title=\"St. Peter's, Cape Cod\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stpeters-capecod.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">mainline church<\/a>. He sports of whole range of attitudes I see as deriving from this, or from this plus our present intellectual scene. Also, it strikes me that his childhood faith he left behind was just that. In any case, he has a nice way of wearing his inclinations on his sleeve. An author <em>should<\/em> be opinionated.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Here I want to ask<\/strong>: Is Prothero both fair and accurate in how he presents Christian belief? He says:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230;the Christianity&#8230; of my childhood&#8230; was<strong> all about the doctrine of the Incarnation<\/strong>, which to me was as mysterious as adult life in general. According to this core Christian teaching, at the fulcrum of world history God took on the form of a helpless baby, born of a frightened young woman and held in the rough hands of a carpenter. &#8220;What if God was one of us?&#8221; asks the Joan Osborne pop song. Christianity responds, &#8220;He was!&#8221; (p. 68)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Well, <em>is<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Again, at one level,<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>There is the story of Jesus Himself, the<strong> God who is born in a manger&#8230; and dies<\/strong> on a cross&#8230; (p. 72, emphasis added)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So, &#8220;God,&#8221; presumably the only God (p. 68), is the man Jesus. The painting above is a portrayal of the day God himself died.<\/p>\n<p>But given that Christianity&#8217;s is a <strong>&#8220;soft&#8221; monotheism<\/strong> (pp. 68-9), also<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230;Christians see God as a mysterious Trinity: there persons in one godhead, or as novelist J.C. Hallman brilliantly put it, &#8220;<strong>triplets perched on the fence between polytheism and monotheism<\/strong>.&#8221; (p. 69, emphasis added)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Prothero dutifully summarizes the Nicene creed on that page, but this discussion may confuse. If Jesus is God, and God is the Trinity, then don&#8217;t Christians think that<strong> Jesus is the Trinity?<\/strong> Or rather: why<em> don&#8217;t<\/em> they think that?<\/p>\n<p>Given how much Christians care about doctrine (pp. 69-70) <strong>it would&#8217;ve been better say a bit more about<\/strong>, the fully evolved doctrine of Christ&#8217;s two-natures, and perhaps generation and procession, and the catholic view that the pre-human Jesus created the cosmos. Probably more too about why many Christians think that because of the atonement, Jesus must be &#8220;fully divine.&#8221; These things should get a least a mention, if you&#8217;re going to devote a couple of pages to Mormonism in the chapter.<\/p>\n<p>He refers often to <strong>mystery<\/strong>, but not to the paradoxical beliefs which have so motivated Christians to employ the tools of philosophy and logic to exorcise apparent contradictions. For example, that the all-knowing God was an ignorant baby, or that an essentially immortal divine person died.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, he&#8217;s <strong>happy to leave things unclear<\/strong>; but it would be worth pointing out, consistent with his emphasis on the &#8220;staggering&#8221; diversity in Christianity (p. 66) that some Christians understand the Trinity modalistically &#8211; as three ways one divine self lives &#8211; and others tritheistically &#8211; as three divine selves living in harmony. \u00a0To others, yes, as an mostly unintelligible mystery &#8211; but many thinking Christians are driven to come up with a <a title=\"Trinity theories @ the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy\" href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\">more articulated view<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>To answer my own questions: <\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Fair? Yes<\/strong>, I would say fair enough. He&#8217;s more concerned to present Christianity at the popular level, than as believed by theorists. Nothing his says me strikes me as a misrepresentation, much less a malicious misrepresentation.<strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong>Accurate? It could be <em>more<\/em><\/strong> accurate, I would say. He tends towards the view that too much interest in doctrine, in theological theories, in finely articulated and true religious beliefs, is&#8230; twisted, unhealthy,\u00a0weird, maybe perverse. I see this attitude constantly popping up in the book. As someone who does philosophical theology and philosophy of religion for a living, I of course don&#8217;t agree! But I suggest he should correct for this, including at least the ideas noted above.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>A few minor corrections: It&#8217;s no longer true that most Catholic Bibles do, but most Protestant Bibles don&#8217;t have explanatory notes. (p. 80) About his assertion that the Bible nowhere so much contemplates lesbianism (p. 95), that probably needs qualifying, in light of\u00a0<a title=\"Romans 1, esv\" href=\"http:\/\/www.esvbible.org\/Romans+1\/\" target=\"_blank\">Romans 1<\/a>. Mentioning &#8220;suburban megachurches and their confident\u00a0sermons\u00a0about how Jesus would vote&#8221; (p. 99) &#8211; that is, I think, largely an unfortunate stereotype based on exceptions rather than the rule. In my experience, which yes, includes some evangelical megachurches, pastors tend to be circumspect and generally non-partisan about politics, especially in the pulpit. Such culture-war rhetoric is out of place in the chapter.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, I\u00a0emphasize\u00a0that it&#8217;s<strong> a very good book<\/strong>, <em>packed<\/em> with information, in world full of crappy books about religion. He loves his subject, and it shows. And he shows a proper sympathy for the traditions, and for the people within them. Reading it is like taking that good class on world religions or comparative religion that you wished you&#8217;d taken in college.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Stephen Prothero, of Boston University, is the rare professor who is to a household name and face. He&#8217;s been on all sorts of media, and is an able spokesman for the cause of religious literacy. Preach it! 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