{"id":34986,"date":"2015-03-09T14:30:30","date_gmt":"2015-03-09T18:30:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=34986"},"modified":"2016-03-22T20:52:02","modified_gmt":"2016-03-23T00:52:02","slug":"podcast-78-mr-chad-mcintosh-on-the-trinity-as-a-functional-person","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-78-mr-chad-mcintosh-on-the-trinity-as-a-functional-person\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 78 &#8211; Mr. Chad McIntosh on the Trinity as a Functional Person"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_2608\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-34986-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities078.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities078.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities078.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities078.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=34986-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities078.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities078.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-35058\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/General-Ulysses-S-Grant.jpg\" alt=\"This is not Chad McIntosh - it is General Ulysses S. Grant, who is used in an illustation given by Mr. McIntosh\" width=\"305\" height=\"385\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/General-Ulysses-S-Grant.jpg 456w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/General-Ulysses-S-Grant-238x300.jpg 238w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/General-Ulysses-S-Grant-420x531.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/General-Ulysses-S-Grant-90x114.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 305px) 100vw, 305px\" \/>The Social Trinity may be <strong>more social<\/strong> than you thought. In this episode I talk with trinities contributor<strong> Mr. Chad McIntosh<\/strong>, who we met in our\u00a0<a title=\"trinities podcast episode 77\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-77-mr-chad-mcintosh-on-the-trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\">last episode<\/a>.\u00a0We discuss his<strong> new twist on a &#8220;social&#8221; Trinity theory<\/strong> &#8211; that not only are there three divine persons or selves, but in another but related sense, the Trinity is a person, what he calls a functional person. So there are in his view\u00a0<strong>four persons<\/strong> in the Trinity, <strong>three intrinsicist<\/strong> persons and one <strong>one functional<\/strong> person. It is commonly objected to three-self or &#8220;social&#8221; trinitarians, that on their views &#8220;God&#8221; is a mere group of selves or a composite object made of selves &#8211; something (emphasis on &#8220;thing&#8221;), an &#8220;it&#8221; and not a self, which<strong> isn&#8217;t the sort of being<\/strong> it makes sense to love and worship, and isn&#8217;t the sort of being who literally acts, knows, and loves. This objection is answered by Mr. Macintosh&#8217;s sort of social theory. He also explains why this theory provides a good answer to my <strong>divine deception arguments<\/strong> against social trinitarianism. In sum,\u00a0he argues that this is <strong>no objectionable Quaternity<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Do you agree?<\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode on<\/strong>\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0or <strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/id690304581?mt=2&amp;uo=4&amp;at=11l5XS\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>\u00a0(please subscribe, rate, and review<\/strong>\u00a0us in either or both \u2013 <strong><a title=\"how to rate us at iTunes and Stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review\/\" target=\"_blank\">directions here<\/a><\/strong>). It is also available on <a title=\"trinities podcast youtube playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLMCt15e8gG-g7t7wo9MCq9KSDSsvGNcsm\" target=\"_blank\">Youtube <\/a>(scroll down \u2013 you can\u00a0<a title=\"youtube subscription link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/khanpadawan?sub_confirmation=1\" target=\"_blank\">subscribe here<\/a>). If you would like to\u00a0<strong>upload audio feedback<\/strong> for possible inclusion in a future episode of this podcast,\u00a0<a title=\"upload audio feedback for the trinities podcast here\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mediafire.com\/filedrop\/filedrop_hosted.php?drop=96df5ea43b9b7c6582cb95b8c5a7259d7cd8109e0cd009d4a5ecd099cc7e64fb\" target=\"_blank\">put the audio file here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Mr. McIntosh&#8217;s blog <strong><a title=\"Appeared-to-Blogly - the blog of Chad McIntosh\" href=\"https:\/\/appearedtoblogly.wordpress.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Appeared-to-Blogly<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>the concept of &#8220;<a title=\"&quot;family resemblance&quot; and games as explored by Wittgenstein\" href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/wittgenstein\/#Lan\" target=\"_blank\">family resemblance<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li>the concept of a <a title=\"&quot;sufficient condition&quot; explained at the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy\" href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/conc-cl\/#SH3a\" target=\"_blank\">sufficient condition<\/a><\/li>\n<li>the concept(s) of intrinsic nature (aka essence, <a title=\"essential properties explained\" href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/essential-accidental\/\" target=\"_blank\">essential properties<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><strong>deception arguments<\/strong> against a three-self Trinity\n<ul>\n<li>&#8220;<a title=\"Divine deception, identity, and social trinitarianism\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/dale\/deception.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Divine\u00a0deception,\u00a0identity,\u00a0and\u00a0Social\u00a0Trinitarianism<\/a>&#8221; (2004)<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a title=\"Divine Deception and Monotheism\" href=\"http:\/\/journalofanalytictheology.com\/jat\/index.php\/jat\/article\/view\/jat.2014-1.030004192024a\/232\" target=\"_blank\">Divine Deception and Monotheism<\/a>&#8221; (2014)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s <strong>thinking musi<\/strong>c is &#8220;<a title=\"the song &quot;Anchor&quot; (no vocals) by Josh Woodward\" href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Josh_Woodward\/Ashes\/JoshWoodward-Ashes-NoVox-06-Anchor\" target=\"_blank\">Anchor<\/a>&#8221; from the album <a title=\"the album Ashes by Josh Woodward\" href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Josh_Woodward\/Ashes\/\" target=\"_blank\">Ashes <\/a>by <a title=\"the music of Josh Woodward\" href=\"http:\/\/www.joshwoodward.com\/#\/\" target=\"_blank\">Josh Woodward<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>You can now easily access <a title=\"all episodes of the trinties podcast\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-2\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>all episodes of the trinities podcast in order here<\/strong><\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Social Trinity may be more social than you thought. 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