{"id":35515,"date":"2015-06-15T12:53:21","date_gmt":"2015-06-15T16:53:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=35515"},"modified":"2016-03-22T20:20:59","modified_gmt":"2016-03-23T00:20:59","slug":"podcast-91-dr-joshua-thurow-on-theories-of-the-atonement","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-91-dr-joshua-thurow-on-theories-of-the-atonement\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 91 &#8211; Dr. Joshua Thurow on theories of the atonement"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_4687\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-35515-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities091.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities091.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities091.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities091.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=35515-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities091.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities091.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-35519\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/crucifixion.jpg\" alt=\"crucifixion of Jesus\" width=\"354\" height=\"453\" \/>&#8220;Jesus <strong>died for our\u00a0sins<\/strong>. Jesus provided <strong>atonement<\/strong>, to reconcile God and humans. Jesus paid a <strong>debt<\/strong> we could never pay ourselves. Jesus was willingly a <strong>sacrifice<\/strong> for our sins.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>How should a thinking Christian understand<\/strong> these claims?<\/p>\n<p>In this episode I discuss atonement\u00a0with Dr. Joshua Thurow. He surveys the <strong>various ways Christians have thought about Jesus&#8217;s unique atonement through his death<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Is this death<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>an example for us to imitate<\/li>\n<li>a ransom of slaves or captives<\/li>\n<li>a substitute for sinners who takes our punishment<\/li>\n<li>a restoration of God&#8217;s honor<\/li>\n<li>payment of an infinite debt incurred by our sinning against a God of infinite value<\/li>\n<li>a triumph over evil spiritual forces and a liberation of us from domination by those powers<\/li>\n<li>or two or more of the above?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-35521 size-full\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/thurow.jpg\" alt=\"Dr. Joshua Thurow, philosopher at UTSA\" width=\"205\" height=\"205\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/thurow.jpg 205w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/thurow-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/thurow-90x90.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 205px) 100vw, 205px\" \/>Dr. Thurow also discusses some Protestant-Catholic-Orthodox differences about atonement.<\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode on<\/strong>\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0or\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/id690304581?mt=2&amp;uo=4&amp;at=11l5XS\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>\u00a0(please subscribe, rate, and review<\/strong>\u00a0us in either or both \u2013 <strong><a title=\"how to rate us at iTunes and Stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review\/\" target=\"_blank\">directions here<\/a><\/strong>). It is also available on<a title=\"trinities podcast youtube playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLMCt15e8gG-g7t7wo9MCq9KSDSsvGNcsm\" target=\"_blank\">Youtube <\/a>(scroll down \u2013 you can\u00a0<a title=\"youtube subscription link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/khanpadawan?sub_confirmation=1\" target=\"_blank\">subscribe here<\/a>). If you would like to\u00a0<strong>upload audio feedback<\/strong> for possible inclusion in a future episode of this podcast,\u00a0<a title=\"upload audio feedback for the trinities podcast here\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mediafire.com\/filedrop\/filedrop_hosted.php?drop=96df5ea43b9b7c6582cb95b8c5a7259d7cd8109e0cd009d4a5ecd099cc7e64fb\" target=\"_blank\">put the audio file here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/colfa.utsa.edu\/philosophy-classics\/faculty\/thurow#about\" target=\"_blank\">Dr. Thurow&#8217;s home page @ UTSA<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li><em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0199695334\" target=\"_blank\">The A Priori in Philosophy<\/a> <\/em>(<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B00HFQJQXE\" target=\"_blank\">kindle<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/philpapers.org\/s\/Joshua%20C.%20Thurow\" target=\"_blank\">his published papers @ philpapers<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/philreligion.nd.edu\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Center for Philosophy of Religion<\/a> @ The University of Notre Dame<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/anselm\/\" target=\"_blank\">St. Anselm of Canterbury<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" size-full wp-image-35522 alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/anselm1.jpg\" alt=\"anselm\" width=\"261\" height=\"313\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/anselm1.jpg 261w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/anselm1-250x300.jpg 250w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/anselm1-90x108.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 261px) 100vw, 261px\" \/><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.quodlibet.net\/anselm.shtml\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Cur Deus Homo<\/em> (<em>Why God a Man?<\/em>)<\/a> which is translated in\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/019954008X\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Anselm of Canterbury: Major Works<\/em><\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B006L2XMBK\" target=\"_blank\">kindle<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0872208958\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Anselm: Basic Writings<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/supererogation\/\" target=\"_blank\">&#8220;supererogatory&#8221; actions explained<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-episode-37-why-did-jesus-have-to-suffer\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 37 \u2013 Why did Jesus have to suffer?<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is\u00a0\u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Fabian_Measures\/Emotion_Music\/Higekitekina_\" target=\"_blank\">Higekitekina<\/a>\u201d (by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Fabian_Measures\/\" target=\"_blank\">Fabian Measures<\/a>) (<a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/fogheart\" target=\"_blank\">soundcloud<\/a>)\u00a0<object width=\"300\" height=\"50\"><param name=\"movie\" value=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/swf\/trackplayer.swf\" \/><param name=\"flashvars\" value=\"track=http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/services\/playlists\/embed\/track\/106503.xml\" \/><param name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"sameDomain\" \/><embed type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/swf\/trackplayer.swf\" width=\"300\" height=\"50\" flashvars=\"track=http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/services\/playlists\/embed\/track\/106503.xml\" allowscriptaccess=\"sameDomain\" \/><\/object><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;Jesus died for our sins. 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