{"id":35909,"date":"2015-08-03T17:04:05","date_gmt":"2015-08-03T21:04:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=35909"},"modified":"2016-03-22T20:09:09","modified_gmt":"2016-03-23T00:09:09","slug":"podcast-98-dr-michael-heiser-on-old-testament-binitarianism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-98-dr-michael-heiser-on-old-testament-binitarianism\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 98 &#8211; Dr. Michael Heiser on Old Testament binitarianism"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_1941\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-35909-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities098.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities098.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities098.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities098.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=35909-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities098.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities098.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-35911\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Michael-S-Heiser.jpg\" alt=\"Dr Michael S Heiser\" width=\"448\" height=\"336\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Michael-S-Heiser.jpg 448w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Michael-S-Heiser-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Michael-S-Heiser-420x315.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Michael-S-Heiser-90x68.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 448px) 100vw, 448px\" \/>According to Dr. Michael S. Heiser, we see <strong>&#8220;two Yahweh figures&#8221; in the Old Testament<\/strong>: Yahweh and the &#8220;angel of the Lord&#8221;.<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>He holds that the Jewish idea of &#8220;two powers in heaven&#8221; arose from reading these texts, which sort of set the stage for the more radical idea of God becoming incarnate, becoming a man, which he sees in the New Testament. There, the second divine figure is Jesus.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Do you agree<\/strong> with Dr. Heiser, that in the Old Testament the angel of the Lord &#8220;is and is not&#8221; God, and that in the New Testament, Jesus &#8220;is and is not&#8221; God? 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We get a small % of your purchase, even though your price is not increased. (If you see \u201ctrinities\u201d in you\u00a0url while at Amazon, then we\u2019ll get it.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/drmsh.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Dr. Heiser\u2019s home page<\/a><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nakedbiblepodcast.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Naked Bible podcast<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.thedivinecouncil.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Divine Council<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/twopowersinheaven.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Two Powers in Heaven<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/drmsh.com\/interviews-2\/\" target=\"_blank\">other interviews<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.logos.com\/products\/search?redirecttoauthor=false&amp;Author=11756%7cMichael+S.+Heiser\" target=\"_blank\">@ Logos<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.logos.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Logos Bible software<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/1577995562\" target=\"_blank\">The Unseen Realm: Recovering the Supernatural Worldview of the Bible<\/a><\/em>\u00a0<\/strong>(pre-order: released on Sept 1, 2015)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-97-dr-michael-heiser-on-the-unseen-realm\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>podcast 97 &#8211; Dr. Michael Heiser on<em> The Unseen Realm<\/em><\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li>on &#8220;being good Berean&#8221;: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Acts+17%3A10-12&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Acts 17<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/b\/b7\/024.Jacob_Wrestles_with_the_Angel.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-35915 size-full\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/024.Jacob_Wrestles_with_the_Angel.jpg\" alt=\"Jacob wrestles with the angel of the Lord\" width=\"470\" height=\"339\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/024.Jacob_Wrestles_with_the_Angel.jpg 470w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/024.Jacob_Wrestles_with_the_Angel-300x216.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/024.Jacob_Wrestles_with_the_Angel-420x303.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/024.Jacob_Wrestles_with_the_Angel-460x332.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/024.Jacob_Wrestles_with_the_Angel-90x65.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 470px) 100vw, 470px\" \/><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Exodus+23%3A20-23&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Exodus 23:20-23<\/a><\/li>\n<li>the burning bush: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Exodus+3&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Exodus 3<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Jacob&#8217;s blessing: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Genesis+48%3A15-16&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Genesis 48:15-16<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong>Justin Martyr episodes<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 74 \u2013 Justin Martyr\u2019s Dialogue with Trypho \u2013 Part 1\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-74-justin-martyrs-dialogue-with-trypho-part-1\/\">podcast 74 \u2013 Justin Martyr\u2019s Dialogue with Trypho \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 75 \u2013 Justin Martyr\u2019s Dialogue with Trypho \u2013 Part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-75-justin-martyrs-dialogue-with-trypho-part-2\/\">podcast 75 \u2013 Justin Martyr\u2019s Dialogue with Trypho \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 76 \u2013 Justin Martyr\u2019s Dialogue with Trypho \u2013 Part 3\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-76-justin-martyrs-dialogue-with-trypho-part-3\/\">podcast 76 \u2013 Justin Martyr\u2019s Dialogue with Trypho \u2013 Part 3<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Yahweh appears in human form to Abraham, with two angels:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Genesis+18-19&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Genesis 18-19<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Jeremiah+1&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Jeremiah 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li>74 people<strong> see God<\/strong>: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Exodus+24%3A9-18&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Exodus 24:9-18<\/a><\/li>\n<li>&#8220;mighty god&#8221; or &#8220;messenger of great counsel&#8221;?\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/biblehub.com\/isaiah\/9-6.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Isaiah 9:6<\/a>\u00a0(<a href=\"http:\/\/biblehub.com\/sep\/isaiah\/9.htm\" target=\"_blank\">LXX<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Deuteronomy+4%3A35-39&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Deuteronomy 4:35-39<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/biblehub.com\/hebrews\/11-17.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Hebrews 11:7<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong>&#8220;the LORD&#8221; or (the pre-human) Jesus? 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