{"id":35999,"date":"2019-12-05T18:47:00","date_gmt":"2019-12-06T00:47:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=35999"},"modified":"2019-12-05T18:49:41","modified_gmt":"2019-12-06T00:49:41","slug":"podcast-99-dr-larry-hurtado-on-early-high-christology","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-99-dr-larry-hurtado-on-early-high-christology\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 99 &#8211; Dr. Larry Hurtado on early high christology"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7609\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-35999-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities099.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities099.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities099.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities099.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=35999-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities099.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities099.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/056765771X\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-36000 \" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/One-God-One-Lord-Larry-Hurtado.jpg\" alt=\"One God, One Lord - Larry Hurtado\" width=\"359\" height=\"538\" \/><\/a>This episode starts with some <strong>listener feedback about <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-98-dr-michael-heiser-on-old-testament-binitarianism\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">episode 98 with Dr. Michael Heiser<\/a><\/strong>: is his position, trinitarian, binitarian, or &#8220;Arian&#8221;? I address this, and we hear a little more from Dr. Heiser regarding Jacob&#8217;s\u00a0blessing in Genesis 48:15-16.<\/p>\n<p>My\u00a0interview with influential scholar of early Christianity Dr. Larry Hurtado begins at <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/EU1MHtmtUgw?t=10m49s\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">10:50<\/a>.\u00a0Dr. Hurtado explains the term &#8220;<strong>early high christology<\/strong>&#8221; and what it means when applied to his own work. He discusses various angels and men who in various ancient Jewish writings are in some way exalted and honored in God-like ways, and how these cases differ from that of Jesus. Dr. Hurtado has argued that in the early years of Christianity we suddenly see <strong>a distinctive pattern of Jesus-worship<\/strong>, as evidenced by the earliest books in the New Testament. Such practices don&#8217;t derive from a second or third century, Gentile Christian context, but rather from the earliest, largely Jewish Christian context.<\/p>\n<p>In his view, the New Testament portrays Jesus as having <strong>&#8220;divine status.&#8221;<\/strong> Does this mean that they thought Jesus and his Father to be the <strong>same god?<\/strong> Dr. Hurtado discusses this in light of various passages in the gospel according to John, and also the statements of 1 Timothy <strong>that God is immortal<\/strong>. (<a href=\"http:\/\/biblehub.com\/1_timothy\/1-17.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">1:17<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/biblehub.com\/1_timothy\/6-16.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">6:16<\/a>)\u00a0The New Testament, he observes, emphasizes that Jesus was a genuine human being, <strong>a man, although<\/strong> in his view it also presents Jesus as existing even when the world was made, in a pre-human phase of his existence. God and Jesus, in his view, are <strong>closely linked, but also distinguished<\/strong> in the New Testament. God exalts Jesus to divine glory, which is why we must worship Jesus, according to early Christians. Worship of Jesus, he argues, has <strong>a theocentric (God-centered) justification<\/strong> or basis.<\/p>\n<p>He also comments briefly on James <strong>Dunn&#8217;s <em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0664231969\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Did the First\u00a0Christians Worship Jesus?<\/a><\/em><\/strong>, the idea that &#8220;worship&#8221; <em>by definition<\/em> can be given only to God, and whether we should start our christological thinking with fourth century or\u00a0with first century sources.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-100-dr-larry-hurtado-on-god-in-new-testament-theology\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong>Our next is the 100th (!) episode<\/strong><\/a> of the trinities podcast: another new interview with <strong>Dr. Hurtado, about his <em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B004EEOV8K\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">God in New Testament Theology<\/a><\/em>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/drmsh.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong>Dr. Michael Heiser<\/strong><\/a>\n<ul>\n<li>Jacob\u2019s blessing:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Genesis+48%3A15-16&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Genesis 48:15-16<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/1577995562\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Unseen Realm: Recovering the Supernatural Worldview of the Bible<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.oneplace.com\/ministries\/in-the-line-of-fire\/listen\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">interview on August 6, 2015 by Dr. Michael Brown for his show The Line of Fire<\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.seanandruth.com\/audio\/Truth%20Matters\/podcast%2025%20--%20Danny%20Dixon%20--%20Implications%20of%20Monotheism.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">mp3<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/bNF-vFBVtig\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Is the Trinity found in the Old Testament?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=1YTu9E--UGg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Godhead in Ancient Judaism<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/larryhurtado.wordpress.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Larry Hurtado&#8217;s blog<\/a><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ed.ac.uk\/schools-departments\/divinity\/staff\/search?uun=hurtadol&amp;cw_xml=bio.php\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">home page @ the University of Edinburgh<\/a><\/li>\n<li>interview by St. John&#8217;s Nottingham: <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=pLeXpSCLrD8&amp;list=PL36Fl7YM93ohqs78F5FAzBK3ahp67rWcf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">How Did Jesus Become a God?<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li>his 2014 lecture, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/ddaIFFNjsOI?t=6m32s\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Paul&#8217;s Messianic Jesus<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>Dr. Hurtado&#8217;s books<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0802831672\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-36001 \" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Hurtado-Lord-Jesus-Christ-Devotion-to-Jesus-in-Earliest-Christianity.jpg\" alt=\"Hurtado - Lord Jesus Christ - Devotion to Jesus in Earliest Christianity\" width=\"328\" height=\"491\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Hurtado-Lord-Jesus-Christ-Devotion-to-Jesus-in-Earliest-Christianity.jpg 333w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Hurtado-Lord-Jesus-Christ-Devotion-to-Jesus-in-Earliest-Christianity-200x300.jpg 200w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Hurtado-Lord-Jesus-Christ-Devotion-to-Jesus-in-Earliest-Christianity-90x135.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 328px) 100vw, 328px\" \/><\/a><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/1565631218\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Commentary on Mark<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/056765771X\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>One God, One Lord: Early Christian Devotion and Ancient Jewish Monotheism, 3rd ed<\/em><\/a>. (<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B01278EYVI\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">kindle<\/a>)<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong><em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0802831672\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Lord Jesus Christ: Devotion to Jesus in Earliest Christianity<\/a><\/em>\u00a0(<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B003HGQKG2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">kindle<\/a>)<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong><em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0802828612\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">How on Earth Did Jesus Become a God?<\/a>\u00a0<\/em>(<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B001QOGJ9K\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">kindle<\/a>)<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0802828957\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>The Earliest Christian Artifacts: Manuscripts and Christian Origins<\/em><\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B001DO3ZTK\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">kindle<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0687465451\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">God in New Testament Theology<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Bousset,<em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/1602589879\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> Kyrios Christos<\/a><\/em> (<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0687209838\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">older edition<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><strong>Dunn, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0664231969\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Did The First Christians Worship Jesus?<\/a><\/em><\/strong> \u00a0(<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B005GLN2H6\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">kindle<\/a>) (<a href=\"https:\/\/larryhurtado.files.wordpress.com\/2010\/07\/dunn-was-jesus-worshipped-review.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">reviewed by Dr. Hurtado<\/a>, by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.21stcr.org\/multimedia\/artitcles\/bb-new_testament_evidence-james_dunn.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Barbara Buzzard<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=larry+hurtado\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">trinities blog posts on Dr. Hurtado on the worship of Jesus<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=Revelation+5+worship\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">trinities blog post series on worship in Revelation 4-5<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/who-should-christians-worship\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Who Should Christians Worship?<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.britannica.com\/biography\/Faustus-Socinus\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Socinus<\/a> (aka 1539-1604)\n<ul>\n<li><em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/translated-by-thomas-rees\/the-racovian-catechism\/paperback\/product-874342.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Racovian Catechism<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ferenc_D%C3%A1vid\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Francis David<\/a> (aka\u00a0Ferenc D\u00e1vid, c. 1510-79)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/francis-david-against-worshiping-jesus\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the controversy between Socinus and David about praying to and worshiping Jesus<\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.britannica.com\/biography\/Ferenc-David\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">more context<\/a>)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-episode-29-arius\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">podcast 29 &#8211; Arius<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-episode-30-the-council-of-nicea\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">podcast 30 &#8211; The Council of Nicea<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-episode-31-william-hasker-on-the-arian-controversy\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">podcast 31 &#8211; William Hasker on the &#8220;Arian&#8221; Controversy<\/a><\/li>\n<li>the new <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/groups\/trinities\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">trinities Facebook group<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s <strong>thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Jim_Rooster\/the_wilderness_i_want\/1_Track_01_-_Come_Away\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Come Away<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong> from the album &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Jim_Rooster\/the_wilderness_i_want\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the wilderness i want<\/a>&#8221; 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