{"id":36285,"date":"2015-09-28T14:50:28","date_gmt":"2015-09-28T18:50:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=36285"},"modified":"2016-03-22T19:58:13","modified_gmt":"2016-03-22T23:58:13","slug":"podcast-106-dr-james-spiegel-on-unbelief-and-belief-in-the-bible","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-106-dr-james-spiegel-on-unbelief-and-belief-in-the-bible\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 106 &#8211; Dr. James Spiegel on unbelief and belief in the Bible"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_6453\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-36285-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities106.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities106.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities106.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities106.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=36285-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities106.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities106.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-36286\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-James-Spiegel-speaking.jpg\" alt=\"Dr James Spiegel speaking\" width=\"440\" height=\"295\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-James-Spiegel-speaking.jpg 440w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-James-Spiegel-speaking-300x201.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-James-Spiegel-speaking-420x282.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-James-Spiegel-speaking-90x60.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 440px) 100vw, 440px\" \/> Does the Bible say in the fourteenth Psalm that atheists are fools? And what about Paul&#8217;s critiques of the Gentiles in Romans and Ephesians &#8211; do these teach that atheism is caused, in all cases, by willful rejection of God, preferring sin to acknowledging him? In this interview we continue discussing themes from Dr. Spiegel&#8217;s\u00a0<strong><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0802476112\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Making of an Atheist: How Immorality Leads to Unbelief<\/em><\/a> <\/strong>(<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B0038U0U40\" target=\"_blank\">kindle<\/a>), <strong>focusing more on the biblical texts<\/strong> he discusses there.<\/p>\n<p>We also hear about<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>the seriousness of unbelief as a sin<\/li>\n<li>whether or not atheism implies that nothing is (objectively) right or wrong<\/li>\n<li><strong>how Dr. Spiegel became a Christian<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>his advice to open-minded unbelievers<\/li>\n<li>how belief in God has some important cognitive benefits, as illustrated in some famous Psalms<\/li>\n<li>why do <strong>even atheists seem to complain to God<\/strong>, or to feel thankful towards him (or towards the universe, or towards <em>someone<\/em>)?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>This episode is <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-105-dr-james-spiegel-on-the-making-of-an-atheist\/\" target=\"_blank\">a continuation of podcast 105<\/a>, which focuses on the main thesis of his book.<\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode on<\/strong>\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0or\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/id690304581?mt=2&amp;uo=4&amp;at=11l5XS\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>\u00a0(please subscribe, rate, and review<\/strong>\u00a0us in either or both \u2013 <strong><a title=\"how to rate us at iTunes and Stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review\/\" target=\"_blank\">directions here<\/a><\/strong>). It is also available on\u00a0<a title=\"trinities podcast youtube playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLMCt15e8gG-g7t7wo9MCq9KSDSsvGNcsm\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a> (scroll down \u2013 you can\u00a0<a title=\"youtube subscription link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/khanpadawan?sub_confirmation=1\" target=\"_blank\">subscribe here<\/a>). If you would like to\u00a0<strong>upload audio feedback<\/strong> for possible inclusion in a future episode of this podcast,\u00a0<a title=\"upload audio feedback for the trinities podcast here\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mediafire.com\/filedrop\/filedrop_hosted.php?drop=96df5ea43b9b7c6582cb95b8c5a7259d7cd8109e0cd009d4a5ecd099cc7e64fb\" target=\"_blank\">put the audio file here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>You can <strong>support the trinities podcast by ordering anything through Amazon.com<\/strong> after clicking through one of our links. We get a small % of your purchase, even though your price is not increased. (If you see \u201ctrinities\u201d in you\u00a0url while at Amazon, then we\u2019ll get it.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/jimspiegel.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Dr. Spiegel\u2019s home page<\/a><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.taylor.edu\/employee\/faculty\/james-spiegel\" target=\"_blank\">Dr. Spiegel\u2019s page at Taylor University<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/wisdomandfollyblog.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Wisdom &amp; Folly blog<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0802476112\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Making of an Atheist: How Immorality Leads to Unbelief<\/em><\/a> <\/strong>(<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B0038U0U40\" target=\"_blank\">kindle<\/a>)\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/themakingofanatheist.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">themakingofanatheist.com<\/a> \u2013 where you can download the table of contents and introduction to the book<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>scriptures discussed in this episode<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-36290\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Is-goodness-without-god-good-enough.jpg\" alt=\"Is goodness without god good enough\" width=\"333\" height=\"500\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Is-goodness-without-god-good-enough.jpg 333w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Is-goodness-without-god-good-enough-200x300.jpg 200w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Is-goodness-without-god-good-enough-90x135.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 333px) 100vw, 333px\" \/><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Psalm+14&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Psalm 14<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=romans+1&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Romans 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Romans%202&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Romans 2<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Ephesians+4&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Ephesians 4<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=psalm+13&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Psalm 13<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=psalm+8&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Psalm 8<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>the ethical philosophies of\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/aristotle-ethics\/\" target=\"_blank\">Aristotle<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/mill\/#MorUti\" target=\"_blank\">J.S. Mill<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/kant\/#CatImp\" target=\"_blank\">Immanuel Kant<\/a><\/li>\n<li>John Hare,<em> <a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0198269579\" target=\"_blank\">The Moral Gap<\/a><\/em> (<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B000TRMHU0\" target=\"_blank\">kindle<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0742551717\" target=\"_blank\">Is Goodness without God Enough?<\/a><\/em> (<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B00260GS8U\" target=\"_blank\">kindle<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk\/members\/philosophy_panel\/tim_mawson\" target=\"_blank\">Dr. T. J. Mawson<\/a>&#8216;s article &#8220;<strong><a href=\"http:\/\/link.springer.com\/article\/10.1007%2Fs11153-010-9227-8\" target=\"_blank\">Praying to stop being an atheist<\/a><\/strong>&#8221; (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.scarymommy.com\/should-you-pray-to-a-god-you-dont-believe-in\/\" target=\"_blank\">blog post<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/commonsenseatheism.com\/?p=8095\" target=\"_blank\">podcast interview<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li>Some previous trinities podcast interviews mentioned in the review quoted at the beginning:\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-27-interview-with-dr-william-hasker-about-his-metaphysics-and-the-tripersonal-god-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">William Hasker<\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-28-interview-with-dr-william-hasker-about-his-metaphysics-and-the-tripersonal-god-part-2\/\" target=\"_blank\">part 2<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-83-the-spiritual-journey-of-a-maverick-philosopher\/\" target=\"_blank\">William Vallicella<\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-84-dr-william-vallicella-on-god-and-existence\/\" target=\"_blank\">part 2<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-99-dr-larry-hurtado-on-early-high-christology\/\" target=\"_blank\">Larry Hurtado<\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-100-dr-larry-hurtado-on-god-in-new-testament-theology\/\" target=\"_blank\">part 2<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-97-dr-michael-heiser-on-the-unseen-realm\/\" target=\"_blank\">Michael Heiser<\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-98-dr-michael-heiser-on-old-testament-binitarianism\/\" target=\"_blank\">part 2<\/a>)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/Debut_EP\/Golden_1541\" target=\"_blank\">Golden<\/a>\u201d by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/\" target=\"_blank\">Little Glass Men<\/a>. <object width=\"300\" height=\"50\"><param name=\"movie\" value=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/swf\/trackplayer.swf\" \/><param name=\"flashvars\" value=\"track=http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/services\/playlists\/embed\/track\/118920.xml\" \/><param name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"sameDomain\" \/><embed type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/swf\/trackplayer.swf\" width=\"300\" height=\"50\" flashvars=\"track=http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/services\/playlists\/embed\/track\/118920.xml\" allowscriptaccess=\"sameDomain\" \/><\/object><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Does the Bible say in the fourteenth Psalm that atheists are fools? 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