{"id":36567,"date":"2015-11-23T12:18:19","date_gmt":"2015-11-23T17:18:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=36567"},"modified":"2016-03-22T19:45:39","modified_gmt":"2016-03-22T23:45:39","slug":"podcast-114-the-recycled-creed","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-114-the-recycled-creed\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 114 &#8211; the recycled creed (342-359)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_362\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-36567-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities114.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities114.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities114.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities114.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=36567-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities114.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities114.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/we-recycle-sign.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-36568 alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/we-recycle-sign.png\" alt=\"we recycle sign\" width=\"373\" height=\"373\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/we-recycle-sign.png 373w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/we-recycle-sign-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/we-recycle-sign-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/we-recycle-sign-90x90.png 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 373px) 100vw, 373px\" \/><\/a>In this episode we heard the<strong> so-called &#8220;Fourth Creed&#8221; from the council of Antioch<\/strong> &#8211; or a group soon after it &#8211; which is a actually a letter from eastern bishops assembled there to their western brethren, to explain their views about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We also hear about why the writers of the creeds from Antioch are called by historians &#8220;<strong>Eusebians<\/strong>,&#8221; and a little about the lives of Eusebius of Caesarea (c. 260-340)\u00a0and Eusebius of Nicomedia. (d. 342)<\/p>\n<p>This &#8220;Fourth Creed&#8221; was offered as<strong> a non-controversial, &#8220;big tent,&#8221; ecumenical summary<\/strong> of faith. And surprisingly, given its initial reception, its language ended up being re-used several times after, as catholics struggled to replace the language of Nicea with something more widely acceptable. This is why I call it &#8220;the <strong>recycled<\/strong> creed.&#8221; If you count the initial one, it was used half a dozen times, the latest being in 359. But like many re-usable goods, it could not be reused\u00a0<em>ad infinitum<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode on<\/strong>\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0or\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/id690304581?mt=2&amp;uo=4&amp;at=11l5XS\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>\u00a0(please subscribe, rate, and review<\/strong>\u00a0us in either or both \u2013 <strong><a title=\"how to rate us at iTunes and Stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review\/\" target=\"_blank\">directions here<\/a><\/strong>). It is also available on\u00a0<a title=\"trinities podcast youtube playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/u3rE52g5Zvo\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a> (you can\u00a0<a title=\"youtube subscription link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/khanpadawan?sub_confirmation=1\" target=\"_blank\">subscribe here<\/a>). If you would like to\u00a0<strong>upload audio feedback<\/strong> for possible inclusion in a future episode of this podcast,\u00a0<a title=\"upload audio feedback for the trinities podcast here\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mediafire.com\/filedrop\/filedrop_hosted.php?drop=96df5ea43b9b7c6582cb95b8c5a7259d7cd8109e0cd009d4a5ecd099cc7e64fb\" target=\"_blank\">put the audio file here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>You can <strong>support the trinities podcast by ordering anything through Amazon.com<\/strong> after clicking through one of our links. We get a small % of your purchase, even though your price is not increased. (If you see \u201ctrinities\u201d in you\u00a0url while at Amazon, then we\u2019ll get it.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode<\/strong>:<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0334040108\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-36572 size-full\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/SCM-Press-AZ-of-Patristic-Theology.jpg\" alt=\"SCM Press AZ of Patristic Theology\" width=\"333\" height=\"500\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/SCM-Press-AZ-of-Patristic-Theology.jpg 333w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/SCM-Press-AZ-of-Patristic-Theology-200x300.jpg 200w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/SCM-Press-AZ-of-Patristic-Theology-90x135.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 333px) 100vw, 333px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/cathen\/05617b.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Eusebius of Caesarea<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li>his <em>History of the Church<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Pamphilus_of_Caesarea\" target=\"_blank\">Pamphilus of Caesarea<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.roman-empire.net\/decline\/constantine-index.html\" target=\"_blank\">Constantine<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.britannica.com\/biography\/Eusebius-of-Nicomedia\" target=\"_blank\">Eusebius of Nicomedia<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/origen-of-alexandria\/\" target=\"_blank\">Origen of Alexandria<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=origen\" target=\"_blank\">trinities posts on Origen&#8217;s theology<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-24-how-to-be-a-monotheistic-trinitarian\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 24 &#8211; How to be a monotheistic trinitarian [on Origen&#8217;s theology]<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Young, Ayres, and Louth (eds.)\u00a0<strong><em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0521697506\" target=\"_blank\">The Cambridge History of Early Christian Literature<\/a><\/em>.<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong>books quoted from in this episode<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0334040108\" target=\"_blank\">The SCM Press A-Z of Patristic Theology<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li>Charles Freeman, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/1400033802\" target=\"_blank\">The Closing of the Western Mind<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li>Athanasius, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ccel.org\/ccel\/schaff\/npnf204.xxii.i.html\" target=\"_blank\"><em>De Synodis<\/em> (<em>On Synods<\/em>)<\/a><\/li>\n<li>R.P.C. 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