{"id":36602,"date":"2015-12-07T16:09:02","date_gmt":"2015-12-07T21:09:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=36602"},"modified":"2016-03-22T19:40:59","modified_gmt":"2016-03-22T23:40:59","slug":"podcast-116-george-r-noyess-explanation-of-isaiah-96-and-john-11","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-116-george-r-noyess-explanation-of-isaiah-96-and-john-11\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 116 &#8211; George R. Noyes&#8217;s Explanation of Isaiah 9:6 and John 1:1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_9980\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-36602-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities116.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities116.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities116.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities116.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=36602-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities116.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities116.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-word-became-flesh.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-36603\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-word-became-flesh.jpg\" alt=\"the word became flesh\" width=\"476\" height=\"305\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-word-became-flesh.jpg 678w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-word-became-flesh-300x192.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-word-became-flesh-420x269.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-word-became-flesh-460x294.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-word-became-flesh-90x58.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 476px) 100vw, 476px\" \/><\/a><strong>Did Isaiah predict that someday God would become a baby?<\/strong> Christians have always said this prediction to be fulfilled in the birth of Jesus:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8220;<strong>Mighty God, Everlasting Father<\/strong>&#8221; &#8211; this <em>sounds like<\/em> it is referring to God Almighty, to the one Jesus called &#8220;my Father and your Father&#8230; my God and your God&#8221; (John 20:17) So then, is the prediction that God will be born as a human baby? You might think so. But Harvard Old Testament scholar Dr. George R. Noyes (1798-1868 ) disagrees. In this episode, we&#8217;ll hear the entirety of his <strong><em>Explanation of Isaiah 9:6 and John 1:1<\/em><\/strong> (2nd ed. 1833)<\/p>\n<p>He also briefly discusses the famous prediction of a baby to be called &#8220;<strong>God-with-us<\/strong>&#8221; (Isaiah 7:14), and as the title indicates, one of the most quoted New Testament texts:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and <strong>the Word was God<\/strong>. (John 1:1)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Does this passage teach that Jesus always existed, and that he, in some sense, is God, though he&#8217;s also &#8220;with&#8221; God somehow? Dr. Noyes doesn&#8217;t think so. Here he explains what he holds to be the Old Testament and Apocryphal keys to understanding John&#8217;s meaning here. (What is said there about &#8220;God&#8217;s word&#8221;? )<\/p>\n<p>At the end, Dr. Noyes gives some <strong>objections to catholic two-natures theories about Jesus<\/strong>. These focus on Jesus&#8217;s statement that<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Mark 13:32)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Are these objections fatal, or are they answerable? And with respect to any of these three texts above &#8211; <strong>are you convinced? Why or why not? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode on<\/strong>\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0or\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/id690304581?mt=2&amp;uo=4&amp;at=11l5XS\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>\u00a0(please subscribe, rate, and review<\/strong>\u00a0us in either or both \u2013 <strong><a title=\"how to rate us at iTunes and Stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review\/\" target=\"_blank\">directions here<\/a><\/strong>). It is also available on\u00a0<a title=\"trinities podcast youtube playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/J5u04LGdr3w\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a> (you can\u00a0<a title=\"youtube subscription link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/khanpadawan?sub_confirmation=1\" target=\"_blank\">subscribe here<\/a>). If you would like to\u00a0<strong>upload audio feedback<\/strong> for possible inclusion in a future episode of this podcast,\u00a0<a title=\"upload audio feedback for the trinities podcast here\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mediafire.com\/filedrop\/filedrop_hosted.php?drop=96df5ea43b9b7c6582cb95b8c5a7259d7cd8109e0cd009d4a5ecd099cc7e64fb\" target=\"_blank\">put the audio file here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>You can <strong>support the trinities podcast by ordering anything through Amazon.com<\/strong> after <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/ref=assoc_res_sw_logo?tag=trinitiesorg-20&amp;linkCode=w14&amp;linkID=ISZSX35I27NLT3KG\" target=\"_blank\">clicking through one of our links<\/a>. We get a small % of your purchase, even though your price is not increased. (If you see \u201ctrinities\u201d in you\u00a0url while at Amazon, then we\u2019ll get it.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Irons, Dixon, and Smith, <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/wipfandstock.com\/the-son-of-god-13133.html\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Son of God: Three Views of the Identity of Jesus<\/em><\/a><\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/In-the-beginning-was-the-word.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-36611\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/In-the-beginning-was-the-word.jpg\" alt=\"In-the-beginning was the word\" width=\"397\" height=\"351\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/In-the-beginning-was-the-word.jpg 397w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/In-the-beginning-was-the-word-300x265.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/In-the-beginning-was-the-word-90x80.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 397px) 100vw, 397px\" \/><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/George_R._Noyes\" target=\"_blank\">George R. Noyes<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/dl.dropboxusercontent.com\/u\/39138\/Noyes%2C%20Explanation%20of%20Isaiah%209%206%20and%20John%201%201%20-%202nd%20ed%201833.pdf\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Explanation of Isaiah 9:6 and John 1:1<\/em><\/a><\/strong> (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/various-authors\/sixteen-american-unitarian-tracts\/paperback\/product-3871427.html\" target=\"_blank\">from this paperback<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/search.php?query=George%20R.%20Noyes&amp;and[]=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&amp;and[]=creator%3A%22noyes%2C%20george%20r.%20%28george%20rapall%29%2C%201798-1868%2C%20ed%22\" target=\"_blank\">some of his other books<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Max Elfelt, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=wTEcIErIwYQ\" target=\"_blank\">Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses: An In depth Look<\/a>&#8221; (perspective of an atheist and former member &#8211; not very clear or detailed on theology, but much helpful background and other detail)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KkjBSxm6_UE\" target=\"_blank\">debate between Jehovah&#8217;s Witness apologist Mr. Greg Stafford and evangelical apologist Dr. James White<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B0010WAPN4\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Knocking:The Untold Story of Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses<\/em><\/a> (2006)<\/li>\n<li><strong>biblical unitarian links<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/21stcr.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">21st Century Reformation<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/christianmonotheism.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Christian monotheism<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblicalunitarian.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">biblical unitarian<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-71-proverbs-8-jesus-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 71 \u2013 Is Proverbs 8 about Jesus? Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-70-the-one-god-and-his-son-according-to-john\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 70 \u2013 The one God and his Son according to John<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Moses_Stuart\" target=\"_blank\">Moses Stuart<\/a> (1780-1852)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/who-was-born-on-the-first-christmas\/\" target=\"_blank\">Who was born on the first Christmas?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/simeon-says\/\" target=\"_blank\">Simeon Says&#8230;<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-bible-on-another-previous-life-of-jesus\/\" target=\"_blank\">the Bible on another previous life of Jesus<\/a> [parody alert]<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=ZuGSOkYWfDQ\" target=\"_blank\">Handel&#8217;s <em>Messiah<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li>the trinities podcast <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/groups\/trinities\/\" target=\"_blank\">Facebook group<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Did Isaiah predict that someday God would become a baby?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":36603,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,15,14,33,57,7,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-36602","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-christology","category-history","category-incarnation","category-podcast","category-quotes","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36602","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=36602"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36602\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":37332,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36602\/revisions\/37332"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/36603"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=36602"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=36602"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=36602"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}