{"id":36673,"date":"2015-12-21T16:18:10","date_gmt":"2015-12-21T21:18:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=36673"},"modified":"2016-03-22T19:39:27","modified_gmt":"2016-03-22T23:39:27","slug":"podcast-118-the-son-of-god-2-mr-danny-andre-dixons-arian-view-of-jesus","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-118-the-son-of-god-2-mr-danny-andre-dixons-arian-view-of-jesus\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 118 &#8211; The Son of God 2 &#8211; Mr. Danny Andre Dixon&#8217;s &#8220;Arian&#8221; view of Jesus"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_9621\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-36673-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities118.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities118.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities118.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities118.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=36673-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities118.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities118.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p>Many Christians in the 2nd to the 4th centuries, and many since, have read the famous <strong>opening of the gospel according to John<\/strong> like this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In the beginning [i.e. at the Genesis creation, but not necessarily before] was the Word\u00a0[i.e. the pre-human Jesus],\u00a0and the Word was with God [i.e. the Father], and the Word was divine. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Is &#8220;the Word&#8221; here really the man Jesus, before he was a man? This view seems to be reinforced by a few passages in Paul, and Hebrews 1, which seem to say <strong>that Jesus created<\/strong> the cosmos, that is, that God created the cosmos\u00a0through him. This makes the Genesis\u00a0creation a two-agent affair. The view also holds Jesus to be an <strong>additional divine being in some sense, but<\/strong> not in the same sense that the Father is divine, as he, but not Jesus, is the ultimate source of all else, and exists independently of any other being.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-36674\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Danny-Andre-Dixon.jpg\" alt=\"Danny Andre Dixon\" width=\"250\" height=\"344\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Danny-Andre-Dixon.jpg 250w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Danny-Andre-Dixon-218x300.jpg 218w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Danny-Andre-Dixon-90x124.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 250px) 100vw, 250px\" \/>In today&#8217;s episode I talk with <strong>Mr. Danny Andre Dixon<\/strong>, a former minister and youth minister and life-long student of the Bible, who defends this view in <em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/1498224261\" target=\"_blank\">The Son of God: Three Views of the Identity of Jesus<\/a><\/strong><\/em>. His\u00a0view is there called <strong>&#8220;Arian&#8221;<\/strong> for its similarities to the views of the controversial Alexandrian presbyter Arius, a controversy about which led to the famous council at Nicea. Similar views were held by Justin Martyr and other &#8220;two-stage&#8221; logos theorists in the 2nd and 3rd Christian centuries, and aside from the point that there was a time when the Son didn&#8217;t exist, it is similar to the views of those called &#8220;Eusebians&#8221; in the fourth century.<\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode on<\/strong>\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0or\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/id690304581?mt=2&amp;uo=4&amp;at=11l5XS\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>\u00a0(please subscribe, rate, and review<\/strong>\u00a0us in either or both \u2013 <strong><a title=\"how to rate us at iTunes and Stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review\/\" target=\"_blank\">directions here<\/a><\/strong>). It is also available on\u00a0<a title=\"trinities podcast youtube playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=7s6ewXK-61A\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a> (you can\u00a0<a title=\"youtube subscription link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/khanpadawan?sub_confirmation=1\" target=\"_blank\">subscribe here<\/a>). If you would like to\u00a0<strong>upload audio feedback<\/strong> for possible inclusion in a future episode of this podcast,\u00a0<a title=\"upload audio feedback for the trinities podcast here\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mediafire.com\/filedrop\/filedrop_hosted.php?drop=96df5ea43b9b7c6582cb95b8c5a7259d7cd8109e0cd009d4a5ecd099cc7e64fb\" target=\"_blank\">put the audio file here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>You can <strong>support the trinities podcast by ordering anything through Amazon.com<\/strong> after <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/ref=assoc_res_sw_logo?tag=trinitiesorg-20&amp;linkCode=w14&amp;linkID=ISZSX35I27NLT3KG\" target=\"_blank\">clicking through one of our links<\/a>. We get a small % of your purchase, even though your price is not increased. (If you see \u201ctrinities\u201d in you\u00a0url while at Amazon, then we\u2019ll get it.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/1498224261\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Son of God: Three Views of the Identity of Jesus<\/em><\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>relevant trinities podcast episodes and blog posts\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-29-arius\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 29 \u2013 Arius<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-30-the-council-of-nicea\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 30 \u2013 The Council of Nicea<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=worship+revelation\" target=\"_blank\">Worship and Revelation 4-5<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/who-should-christians-worship\/\" target=\"_blank\">Who Should Christians Worship?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-13-on-bauckhams-bargain\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 13 \u2013 On Bauckham\u2019s Bargai<\/a>n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-74-justin-martyrs-dialogue-with-trypho-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 74 \u2013 Justin Martyr\u2019s Dialogue with Trypho \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Roy Lanier, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/ref=assoc_res_sw_view_all?tag=trinitiesorg-20&amp;link_code=w14&amp;linkID=ISZSX35I27NLT3KG&amp;_encoding=UTF-8&amp;field-keywords=Roy+Lanier%2C+The+Timeless+Trinity\" target=\"_blank\">The Timeless Trinity<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li>Anthony Buzzard\u00a0and\u00a0Charles Bunting, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/ref=assoc_res_sw_view_all?tag=trinitiesorg-20&amp;link_code=w14&amp;linkID=ISZSX35I27NLT3KG&amp;_encoding=UTF-8&amp;field-keywords=The+Trinity%3A+Christianity%27s+self-inflicted+Wound\" target=\"_blank\">The Trinity: Christianity\u2019s Self-inflicted Wound<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Barton_W._Stone\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Barton W. Stone<\/strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-36677\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Barton-W-Stone.jpg\" alt=\"Barton W Stone\" width=\"192\" height=\"260\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Barton-W-Stone.jpg 192w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Barton-W-Stone-90x122.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 192px) 100vw, 192px\" \/><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=John+5:26&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">John 5:26<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Lee Irons,\u00a0\u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.upper-register.com\/papers\/monogenes.html\" target=\"_blank\">The Eternal Generation of the Son<\/a>\u201c<\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Deuteronomy+29%3A29&amp;version=NIV\" target=\"_blank\">Deuteronomy 29:29<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>non-biblical ancient writings mentioned\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.earlyjewishwritings.com\/1enoch.html\" target=\"_blank\">1 Enoch<\/a><\/li>\n<li><em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.marquette.edu\/maqom\/box.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">The Apocalypse of Abraham<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Matthew+9%3A1-8&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Matthew 9:1-8<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=John+14%3A13-14&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">John 14:13-14<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/1 Corinthians 8:4-6\" target=\"_blank\">1 Corinthians 8<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Colossians+1&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Colossians 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Hebrews+1&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Hebrews 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li>J.A.T. Robinson, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/ref=assoc_res_sw_view_all?tag=trinitiesorg-20&amp;link_code=w14&amp;linkID=ISZSX35I27NLT3KG&amp;_encoding=UTF-8&amp;field-keywords=J.A.T.+Robinson%2C+Redating+the+New+Testament\" target=\"_blank\">Redating the New Testament<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Acts+17%3A29-31&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Acts 17:29-31<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Simon Gathercole, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/ref=assoc_res_sw_view_all?tag=trinitiesorg-20&amp;link_code=w14&amp;linkID=ISZSX35I27NLT3KG&amp;_encoding=UTF-8&amp;field-keywords=The+Preexistent+Son%3A+Recovering+the+Christologies+of+Matthew%2C+Mark%2C+and+Luke\" target=\"_blank\">The Preexistent Son: Recovering the Christologies of Matthew, Mark, and Luke<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Isaiah+44%3A24&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Isaiah 44:24<\/a> &amp; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=hebrews+1&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Hebrews <\/a>1<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Exodus+3&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Exodus 3<\/a>\u00a0&amp;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Acts+7%3A30-34&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Acts 7:30-34<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Matthew+8%3A5-13&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Matthew 8:5-13<\/a> &amp; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Luke+7%3A1-10&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Luke 7:1-10<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><em><a href=\"http:\/\/biblehub.com\/greek\/3439.htm\" target=\"_blank\">monogenes<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=i5vfw5f1CZo\" target=\"_blank\">dueling banjos<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=John+8:24&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">John 8:24<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Andy_G_Cohen\/Through_The_Lens\/Andy_G_Cohen_-_Worky_Worky\" target=\"_blank\">Worky Worky<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Andy_G_Cohen\/\" target=\"_blank\">Andy G. 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