{"id":36761,"date":"2016-01-04T16:43:05","date_gmt":"2016-01-04T21:43:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=36761"},"modified":"2016-03-22T08:21:09","modified_gmt":"2016-03-22T12:21:09","slug":"do-christians-muslims-worship-same-god-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/do-christians-muslims-worship-same-god-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 120 &#8211; Do Christians and Muslims worship the same god? Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_8184\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-36761-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities120.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities120.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities120.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities120.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=36761-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities120.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities120.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-36762\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/same-god.png\" alt=\"same god\" width=\"480\" height=\"265\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/same-god.png 933w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/same-god-300x165.png 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/same-god-768x423.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/same-god-420x231.png 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/same-god-460x253.png 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/same-god-90x50.png 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 480px) 100vw, 480px\" \/>In this episode I&#8217;m joined by Dr. William Vallicella, aka &#8220;The <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/maverick_philosopher\/\" target=\"_blank\">Maverick Philosopher<\/a><\/strong>&#8221; to discuss the<a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/same-god-controversy-round-up\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong> recent controversy<\/strong> in the American evangelical world<\/a> about whether Christians and Muslims &#8220;worship the same god.&#8221; We discuss the <strong>ambiguity of this &#8220;same god&#8221; question<\/strong>, and how certain common theological convictions\u00a0may produce <strong>a strong &#8220;No!&#8221;<\/strong> answer, depending on how one hears the question.<\/p>\n<p>But like other Christian philosophers who have weighed in on the controversy, we focus\u00a0on this question:\u00a0when Christians talk of <strong>&#8220;God&#8221;<\/strong> and when Muslims talk of <strong>&#8220;Allah,&#8221;<\/strong>\u00a0do those two words <strong>refer to one and the same god?<\/strong>\u00a0One general approach to a <strong>theory of reference<\/strong> seems to support a negative answer, and another\u00a0arguably supports a positive answer. As there is no uncontroversial theory of reference, <strong>Dr. Vallicella is inclined to a skeptical stance<\/strong> on this question of co-reference.<\/p>\n<p>In next week&#8217;s part 2, we discuss the meaning of &#8220;worship&#8221; in this question, and I argue for a positive answer to the reference question.<\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode on<\/strong>\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0or\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/id690304581?mt=2&amp;uo=4&amp;at=11l5XS\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>\u00a0(please subscribe, rate, and review<\/strong>\u00a0us in either or both \u2013 <strong><a title=\"how to rate us at iTunes and Stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review\/\" target=\"_blank\">directions here<\/a><\/strong>). It is also available on\u00a0<a title=\"trinities podcast youtube playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/8_P31pv9vB0?list=PLMCt15e8gG-g7t7wo9MCq9KSDSsvGNcsm\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a> (you can\u00a0<a title=\"youtube subscription link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/khanpadawan?sub_confirmation=1\" target=\"_blank\">subscribe here<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>You can <strong>support the trinities podcast by ordering anything through Amazon.com<\/strong> after <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/ref=assoc_res_sw_logo?tag=trinitiesorg-20&amp;linkCode=w14&amp;linkID=ISZSX35I27NLT3KG\" target=\"_blank\">clicking through one of our links<\/a>. We get a small % of your purchase, even though your price is not increased. (If you see \u201ctrinities\u201d in you\u00a0url while at Amazon, then we\u2019ll get it.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Dr. Vallicella&#8217;s <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/maverick_philosopher\/\" target=\"_blank\">Maverick Philosopher blog<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-36777\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/oak-table-or-particleboard.jpg\" alt=\"oak table or particleboard\" width=\"400\" height=\"257\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/oak-table-or-particleboard.jpg 400w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/oak-table-or-particleboard-300x193.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/oak-table-or-particleboard-90x58.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/maverick_philosopher\/2015\/12\/do-christians-and-muslims-worship-the-same-god.html\" target=\"_blank\">Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/maverick_philosopher\/2015\/12\/exactly-one-god-so-the-same-god.html\" target=\"_blank\">Christians and Muslims: Exactly One God, so the Same God<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/maverick_philosopher\/2015\/12\/do-christians-and-jews-worship-the-same-god.html\" target=\"_blank\">Do Christians and Jews Worship the Same God?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/maverick_philosopher\/2015\/12\/peter-geach-on-worshipping-the-right-god.html\" target=\"_blank\">Peter Geach on Worshipping the Right God<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/maverick_philosopher\/2016\/01\/worship-reference-and-existence-an-aporetic-triad.html\" target=\"_blank\">Worship, Reference, and Existence: An Aporetic Triad<\/a><\/li>\n<li>previous trinities podcast episodes with Dr. Vallicella\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-83-the-spiritual-journey-of-a-maverick-philosopher\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 83 \u2013 The Spiritual Journey of a Maverick Philosopher<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-84-dr-william-vallicella-on-god-and-existence\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 84 \u2013 Dr. William Vallicella on Existence and God<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>posts on the same god controversy by Dr. Francis J.<strong> Beckwith<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.thecatholicthing.org\/2015\/12\/17\/do-muslims-and-christians-worship-the-same-god\/\" target=\"_blank\">Do Muslims and Christians Worship the Same God?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/romereturn.blogspot.com\/2016\/01\/muslims-christians-and-same-god-round.html\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Muslims, Christians, and the Same God: Round-Up with Advice to Volf and Clark<\/strong> (with Addendum)<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>trinities posts<\/strong> on the same god controversy\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/same-god-controversy-round-up\/\" target=\"_blank\">\u201csame god\u201d controversy round-up<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/god-allah-and-mistaken-identifications\/\" target=\"_blank\">God, Allah, and mistaken identifications<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/not-the-same-founding-father\/\" target=\"_blank\">God, Allah, George Washington, and Eric Clapton<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/goofus-and-gallant-grok-and-sophie\/\" target=\"_blank\">Is Allah God? Goofus and Gallant, Grok and Sophie<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Tuggy, &#8220;<strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/reli-div\/\" target=\"_blank\">Theories of Religious Diversity<\/a><\/strong>&#8221; (on theories of religious pluralism, and rival exclusivist and inclusivist views)<\/li>\n<li>posts on the same god controversy by Dr. Ed<strong> Feser<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-36768\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslim-Christian-thinking.png\" alt=\"Muslim Christian thinking\" width=\"400\" height=\"243\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslim-Christian-thinking.png 400w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslim-Christian-thinking-300x182.png 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslim-Christian-thinking-90x55.png 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/edwardfeser.blogspot.com\/2015\/12\/christians-muslims-and-reference-of-god.html\" target=\"_blank\">Christians, Muslims, and the reference of \u201cGod\u201d<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/edwardfeser.blogspot.com\/2016\/01\/canine-theology.html\" target=\"_blank\">Canine Theology<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/edwardfeser.blogspot.com\/2013\/06\/geach-on-worshipping-right-god.html\" target=\"_blank\">Geach on worshipping the right God<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>Dr. James Anderson, \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.proginosko.com\/2015\/12\/the-same-god-a-plea-for-precision\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Same God? A Plea for Precision<\/a>\u201d<\/strong> and \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.proginosko.com\/2015\/12\/on-contradicting-the-bible\/\" target=\"_blank\">On Contradicting the Bible<\/a>\u201c.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/spinoza\/#GodNat\" target=\"_blank\">Spinoza on God\/Nature<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/aquinas\/#God\" target=\"_blank\">Aquinas on God<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/ludwig-feuerbach\/\" target=\"_blank\">Ludwig Andreas Feuerbach<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong>theories of <a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/reference\/\" target=\"_blank\">reference<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Dr. Kelly James<strong> Clark<\/strong>, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/kelly-james-clark\/muslims-and-christians-on_b_8875236.html\" target=\"_blank\">Muslims and Christians: On Worshipping the Same God<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li>Dr. Michael <strong>Rea<\/strong>, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/michael-rea\/on-worshipping-the-same-g_b_8840936.html\" target=\"_blank\">On Worshipping the Same God<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li>Dr. Rich <strong>Davis<\/strong>, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/tyndalephilosophy.com\/2015\/12\/29\/will-worshipping-just-any-god-do-reply-to-beckwith-and-rea\/comment-page-1\/#comment-132\" target=\"_blank\">Will Worshipping Just Any God Do? Reply to Beckwith and Rea<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li>Dr. Lydia <strong>McGrew<\/strong>, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/lydiaswebpage.blogspot.com\/2015\/12\/a-brief-note-on-do-muslims-and.html\" target=\"_blank\">A brief note on &#8220;do Muslims and Christians worship the same God<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/files\/VJ_Memes\/41544\" target=\"_blank\">3 pound universe<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/people\/VJ_Memes\" target=\"_blank\">Jeris<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this episode I\u2019m joined by Dr. William Vallicella, aka \u201cThe Maverick Philosopher\u201d to discuss the recent controversy <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":36762,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[59,8,9,57,66],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-36761","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-islam","category-linkage","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-religious-diversity"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36761","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=36761"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36761\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":37311,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36761\/revisions\/37311"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/36762"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=36761"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=36761"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=36761"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}