{"id":36849,"date":"2016-01-11T19:17:29","date_gmt":"2016-01-12T00:17:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=36849"},"modified":"2016-03-22T08:19:32","modified_gmt":"2016-03-22T12:19:32","slug":"do-christians-muslims-worship-same-god-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/do-christians-muslims-worship-same-god-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 121 &#8211; Do Christians and Muslims worship the same god? Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_4384\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-36849-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities121.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities121.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities121.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities121.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=36849-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities121.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities121.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-36850\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslim-praying.jpg\" alt=\"Muslim praying\" width=\"480\" height=\"271\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslim-praying.jpg 568w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslim-praying-300x170.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslim-praying-420x237.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslim-praying-460x260.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslim-praying-90x51.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 480px) 100vw, 480px\" \/>In this second part of my discussion with Dr. William Vallicella, I give an argument that when Muslims use the word <strong>&#8220;Allah&#8221;<\/strong> they are referring to the same being Christians refer to when they say <strong>&#8220;God,&#8221;<\/strong> namely, the god of Abraham.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/do-christians-muslims-worship-same-god-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">In part 1 we distinguished<\/a> this reference question from implausible suggestions that there are no important theological differences between Islam and Christianity. I suggested that many evangelical commenters have misheard <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/another-dochawk-one-god-wheaton-controversy-round-up\/\" target=\"_blank\">remarks like those of Wheaton College&#8217;s Dr. Hawkins<\/a> as asserting some sort of <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/reli-div\/\" target=\"_blank\">religious pluralism<\/a><\/strong>. Thus they insist, plausibly, that the theological differences are important. But &#8220;Christians and Muslims worship the same god&#8221; need only mean that in praying and worshiping they are <em><strong>referring to<\/strong> the same being<\/em>. This is what Dr. Hawkins meant, and it is also <a href=\"http:\/\/www.abc.net.au\/news\/2016-01-11\/hamad-allah-and-god\/7077064\" target=\"_blank\">the common stance for both Muslims and Catholics<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-36862\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslims-praying-in-a-Mosque.jpg\" alt=\"Muslims praying in a Mosque\" width=\"419\" height=\"314\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslims-praying-in-a-Mosque.jpg 640w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslims-praying-in-a-Mosque-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslims-praying-in-a-Mosque-420x315.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslims-praying-in-a-Mosque-460x345.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Muslims-praying-in-a-Mosque-90x68.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 419px) 100vw, 419px\" \/>Dr. Vallicella took an agnostic position on this reference question because of the difficulty of formulating a general theory of reference. In this episode, <strong>I argue for a positive answer to this reference question<\/strong>. We agree that <em>worshiping<\/em> God requires more than merely <em>referring to<\/em> God. And we suggest that &#8220;worship&#8221; is ambiguous. Does this imply something only about the worshiper, or does it also imply reception by the object of worship? If we mean the latter, it&#8217;ll be <strong>more controversial<\/strong> for either a Christian or a Muslim to say that the other successfully <em>worships<\/em> God. And we also discuss the idea of general revelation, which seems to imply that many non-Christians have enough causal interaction with God to easily refer to him. And I urge that the <strong>fundamental disagreement<\/strong> between Christians and Muslims concerns who the last and best revealer of God is.<\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode on<\/strong>\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0or\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/id690304581?mt=2&amp;uo=4&amp;at=11l5XS\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>\u00a0(please subscribe, rate, and review<\/strong>\u00a0us in either or both \u2013 <strong><a title=\"how to rate us at iTunes and Stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review\/\" target=\"_blank\">directions here<\/a><\/strong>). It is also available on\u00a0<a title=\"trinities podcast youtube playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/sykwoKDanZ0\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a> (you can\u00a0<a title=\"youtube subscription link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/khanpadawan?sub_confirmation=1\" target=\"_blank\">subscribe here<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>You can <strong>support the trinities podcast by ordering anything through Amazon.com<\/strong> after <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/ref=assoc_res_sw_logo?tag=trinitiesorg-20&amp;linkCode=w14&amp;linkID=ISZSX35I27NLT3KG\" target=\"_blank\">clicking through one of our links<\/a>. We get a small % of your purchase, even though your price is not increased. (If you see \u201ctrinities\u201d in you\u00a0url while at Amazon, then we\u2019ll get it.)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/.services\/blog\/6a010535ce1cf6970c010535c82845970b\/search?filter.q=same+god+islam\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-36854 alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/beautiful-mountain-scenery.jpg\" alt=\"beautiful mountain scenery\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/beautiful-mountain-scenery.jpg 500w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/beautiful-mountain-scenery-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/beautiful-mountain-scenery-420x315.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/beautiful-mountain-scenery-460x345.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/beautiful-mountain-scenery-90x68.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><strong>Links for this episode<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/.services\/blog\/6a010535ce1cf6970c010535c82845970b\/search?filter.q=same+god+islam\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Some posts by Dr. William Valicella<\/strong> &#8220;The Maverick Philosopher&#8221; on &#8220;same god&#8221; arguments<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.timeslive.co.za\/world\/2013\/05\/30\/australian-man-claims-he-is-jesus-christ-reincarnated-garners-followers\" target=\"_blank\">the <strong>fake Jesus<\/strong> in Australia<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.dailymail.co.uk\/news\/article-1209858\/Jesus-Siberia-Ex-traffic-policeman-says-son-God-leads-thousands-followers-Russia.html\" target=\"_blank\">the fake Jesus in Russia<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Romans 1:18-23<\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/who-should-christians-worship\/\" target=\"_blank\">Who Should Christians Worship?<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.catholic.com\/tracts\/saint-worship\" target=\"_blank\"><em>latria<\/em> vs. <em>dulia<\/em> in Roman Catholic theology<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/buber\/#SH2b\" target=\"_blank\">Martin Buber on &#8220;I-Thou&#8221; relations<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/ep-defea\/\" target=\"_blank\">defeaters in epistemology<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/KMkrh46cfo8?list=PLMCt15e8gG-j3nRRZlmhltadY8XDn4KAH\" target=\"_blank\">Islam: Muhammad the Prophet &#8211; statistics, origins, Allah, and Abraham<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Today&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/ccmixter.org\/files\/onlymeith\/38010%22\" target=\"_blank\">Truth?<\/a>&#8221; by onlymeith<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this second part of my discussion with Dr. William Vallicella, I give an argument that when Muslims use the word &#8220;Allah&#8221; they are referring to the same being Christians refer to when they say &#8220;God,&#8221; namely, the god of Abraham.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":36850,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,59,9,57,66,53],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-36849","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-islam","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-religious-diversity","category-worship"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36849","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=36849"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36849\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":37310,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36849\/revisions\/37310"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/36850"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=36849"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=36849"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=36849"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}