{"id":36869,"date":"2016-01-18T12:10:45","date_gmt":"2016-01-18T17:10:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=36869"},"modified":"2016-03-22T08:17:53","modified_gmt":"2016-03-22T12:17:53","slug":"podcast-122-7-christians-on-4-questions-in-the-same-god-controversy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-122-7-christians-on-4-questions-in-the-same-god-controversy\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 122 &#8211; 7 Christians on 4 questions in the &#8220;same god&#8221; controversy"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_8649\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-36869-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities122.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities122.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities122.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities122.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=36869-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities122.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities122.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p>I say that we should distinguish between <strong>four questions<\/strong> which have arisen in this &#8220;same god&#8221; controversy.<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Is <strong>naive pluralism<\/strong> true &#8211; the thesis that there are no important differences between Christianity and Islam?<\/li>\n<li>Are Christians and Muslims\u00a0<strong>referring<\/strong> to the same being?<\/li>\n<li>Do Christians and Muslims\u00a0<strong>worship<\/strong> the same being?<\/li>\n<li>Do all people in religions which <strong>officially reject<\/strong> Jesus go to Hell?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>In addition, there&#8217;s an important ambiguity in &#8220;worship&#8221; in question 3; there are in effect two different questions there, depending on what is meant by &#8220;worship.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-36898 alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-same-god.png\" alt=\"the same god\" width=\"500\" height=\"285\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-same-god.png 500w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-same-god-300x171.png 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-same-god-420x239.png 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-same-god-460x262.png 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-same-god-90x51.png 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/>In this episode <strong>I answer these questions and compare notes with six other Christians<\/strong> &#8211; five present-day and one historical &#8211; Hawkins, Mohler, Qureshi, Stackhouse, Watts, and John of Damascus.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Do you agree with my answers?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>PS &#8211; Sorry about my voice in this episode! Can&#8217;t seem to shake this cough.<\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode on<\/strong>\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0or\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/id690304581?mt=2&amp;uo=4&amp;at=11l5XS\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>\u00a0(please subscribe, rate, and review<\/strong>\u00a0us in either or both \u2013 <strong><a title=\"how to rate us at iTunes and Stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review\/\" target=\"_blank\">directions here<\/a><\/strong>). It is also available on\u00a0<a title=\"trinities podcast youtube playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/8_P31pv9vB0?list=PLMCt15e8gG-g7t7wo9MCq9KSDSsvGNcsm\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a> (you can\u00a0<a title=\"youtube subscription link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/khanpadawan?sub_confirmation=1\" target=\"_blank\">subscribe here<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>You can <strong>support the trinities podcast by ordering anything through Amazon.com<\/strong> after <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/ref=assoc_res_sw_logo?tag=trinitiesorg-20&amp;linkCode=w14&amp;linkID=ISZSX35I27NLT3KG\" target=\"_blank\">clicking through one of our links<\/a>. We get a small % of your purchase, even though your price is not increased. (If you see \u201ctrinities\u201d in you\u00a0url while at Amazon, then we\u2019ll get it.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/reli-div\/\" target=\"_blank\">&#8220;Theories of Religious Diversity&#8221;<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0(On theories of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/reli-div\/#H2\" target=\"_blank\">religious pluralism<\/a> and their <a href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/reli-div\/#H3\" target=\"_blank\">exclusivist<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/reli-div\/#H4\" target=\"_blank\">inclusivist<\/a> rivals.)<\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/drlaryciahawkins.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">Dr. Larycia Hawkins<\/a><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/on-the-hawkins-jones-discussion\/\" target=\"_blank\">some thoughts on the Hawkins-Jones discussion<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/same-god-controversy-round-up\/\" target=\"_blank\">\u201csame god\u201d controversy round-up<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/another-dochawk-one-god-wheaton-controversy-round-up\/\" target=\"_blank\">another Doc Hawk \/ \u201cone god\u201d Wheaton controversy round-up<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>Dr. Al Mohler, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.albertmohler.com\/2015\/12\/18\/do-christians-and-muslims-worship-the-same-god\/\" target=\"_blank\">Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li>Dr. Francis J. Beckwith, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.thecatholicthing.org\/2015\/12\/17\/do-muslims-and-christians-worship-the-same-god\/\" target=\"_blank\">Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>Nabeel Qureshi, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/rzim.org\/global-blog\/do-muslims-and-christians-worship-the-same-god\" target=\"_blank\">Do Muslims and Christians Worship the Same God?<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 93 \u2013 review of Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus \u2013 Part 1\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-93-review-of-seeking-allah-finding-jesus-part-1\/\">podcast 93 \u2013 review of Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 94 \u2013 review of Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus \u2013 Part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-94-review-of-seeking-allah-finding-jesus-part-2\/\">podcast 94 \u2013 review of Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>Dr. John\u00a0Stackhouse<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-36902\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/questions.jpg\" alt=\"questions\" width=\"449\" height=\"265\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/questions.jpg 600w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/questions-300x177.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/questions-420x248.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/questions-460x271.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/questions-90x53.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 449px) 100vw, 449px\" \/><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.johnstackhouse.com\/2015\/12\/16\/do-muslims-and-christians-worship-the-same-god\/\" target=\"_blank\">Do Muslims and Christians Worship the Same God?<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.johnstackhouse.com\/2015\/12\/17\/allah-and-yhwh-and-tash-and-aslan\/\" target=\"_blank\">Allah and Yhwh\u2026and Tash and Aslan<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>Joel L. Watts, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/unsettledchristianity.com\/christians-muslims-heresies-god\/\" target=\"_blank\">Christians, Muslims, heresies, and \u201cthe same God\u201d<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.catholic.com\/encyclopedia\/john-damascene-saint\" target=\"_blank\">John of Damascus<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is\u00a0&#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/files\/grapes\/16626\" target=\"_blank\">I dunno<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/people\/grapes\" target=\"_blank\">grapes<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I say that we should distinguish between four questions which have arisen in this \u201csame god\u201d controversy.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":36898,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,6,59,9,57,66,53],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-36869","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-complaints","category-islam","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-religious-diversity","category-worship"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36869","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=36869"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36869\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":37309,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36869\/revisions\/37309"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/36898"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=36869"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=36869"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=36869"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}