{"id":36913,"date":"2016-01-25T14:55:46","date_gmt":"2016-01-25T19:55:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=36913"},"modified":"2016-03-22T08:16:44","modified_gmt":"2016-03-22T12:16:44","slug":"podcast-123-your-official-god-vs-your-actual-god","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-123-your-official-god-vs-your-actual-god\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 123 &#8211; your official god vs. your actual god"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_2982\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-36913-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities123.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities123.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities123.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities123.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=36913-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities123.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities123.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-36914 alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2577158444_c164fa8d69_o.jpg\" alt=\"clarke kent superman\" width=\"420\" height=\"648\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2577158444_c164fa8d69_o.jpg 663w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2577158444_c164fa8d69_o-194x300.jpg 194w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2577158444_c164fa8d69_o-420x649.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2577158444_c164fa8d69_o-460x710.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2577158444_c164fa8d69_o-90x139.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 420px) 100vw, 420px\" \/>What if the official god of your theology isn&#8217;t the one who actually gets his way in your life? In this episode I interact with <strong>some commentary on the Wheaton &#8220;one god&#8221; controversy by philosophers Dr. Edward Feser and Dr. Lydia McGrew<\/strong>, with an assist from John and Paul.<\/p>\n<p>To give you a flavor for their comments, in part Dr. Feser says<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230;one of the things some readers get hung up on, though, is the word \u201cworship.\u201d\u00a0 <strong>They seem to think that if you say that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, then<\/strong> you are insinuating that Christianity and Islam are both salvific, or that the differences between Christian and Muslim theology and ethics are not very important, or something along those lines.\u00a0 But none of that follows at all.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And Dr. Lydia McGrew comments,<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It isn\u2019t enough that Muslims think\u00a0the Being who revealed himself to Abraham also spoke to Mohammad. Truth matters, and since that isn\u2019t true, there is <strong>no real historical connection\u2014in the acts of God himself\u2014between<\/strong> the Allah of Islam and the one true God. But there is a real historical connection in the acts of God\u00a0between Judaism and Christianity.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If I understand her, her answer is that no, Christians and Muslims <strong><em>do not<\/em> <\/strong>worship the same god, on\u00a0<em>any<\/em>\u00a0interpretation\u00a0of the question I discuss here.\u00a0In contrast, Dr. Feser argues that Christians and Muslims are <strong>referring to<\/strong> and so <em>in a sense<\/em> worshiping the same god, but this isn&#8217;t to say that their theologies are the same, or nearly so, or that both traditions of worship equally well please God and result in salvation.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m on Dr. Feser&#8217;s side, but both his and her articles\u00a0stimulated me to think about <strong>the New Testament distinction between one&#8217;s official god and one&#8217;s actual or functional god<\/strong>. That&#8217;s what this episode is about.<\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode on<\/strong>\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0or\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/id690304581?mt=2&amp;uo=4&amp;at=11l5XS\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>\u00a0(please subscribe, rate, and review<\/strong>\u00a0us in either or both \u2013 <strong><a title=\"how to rate us at iTunes and Stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review\/\" target=\"_blank\">directions here<\/a><\/strong>). It is also available on\u00a0<a title=\"trinities podcast youtube playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/_uQPgxk_D9U?list=PLMCt15e8gG-g7t7wo9MCq9KSDSsvGNcsm\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a> (you can\u00a0<a title=\"youtube subscription link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/khanpadawan?sub_confirmation=1\" target=\"_blank\">subscribe here<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>You can <strong>support the trinities podcast by ordering anything through Amazon.com<\/strong> after <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/ref=assoc_res_sw_logo?tag=trinitiesorg-20&amp;linkCode=w14&amp;linkID=ISZSX35I27NLT3KG\" target=\"_blank\">clicking through one of our links<\/a>. We get a small % of your purchase, even though your price is not increased. (If you see \u201ctrinities\u201d in you\u00a0url while at Amazon, then we\u2019ll get it.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=same+god\" target=\"_blank\">previous trinities posts on the &#8220;same god&#8221; controversy<\/a><\/li>\n<li>members of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.emsweb.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">Evangelical Missiological Society<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.emsweb.org\/images\/occasional-bulletin\/special-editions\/OB_SpecialEdition_2016.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">weigh in on the one god controversy<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong>Dr. Ed Feser, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/edwardfeser.blogspot.com\/2016\/01\/islam-christianity-and-liberalism-again.html\" target=\"_blank\">Islam, Christianity, and liberalism again (Updated)<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong>Dr. Lydia McGrew<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>&#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.thegospelcoalition.org\/article\/the-same-god-debate-is-too-important-to-leave-to-philosophers\" target=\"_blank\">The \u2018Same God\u2019 Debate Is Too Important to Leave to Philosophers<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/lydiaswebpage.blogspot.com\/2016\/01\/new-post-on-muslims-christians-and-same.html\" target=\"_blank\">New post on Muslims, Christians, and the same God question<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/whatswrongwiththeworld.net\/\" target=\"_blank\">What&#8217;s Wrong with the World<\/a> blog<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/lydiaswebpage.blogspot.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Extra Thoughts<\/a> blog<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-122-7-christians-on-4-questions-in-the-same-god-controversy\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 122 \u2013 7 Christians on 4 questions in the \u201csame god\u201d controversy<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.religioustolerance.org\/cr_ident.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Christian Identity movements<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-36921\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/tissot-curses-against-the-pharisees.jpg\" alt=\"tissot-curses-against-the-pharisees\" width=\"495\" height=\"334\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/tissot-curses-against-the-pharisees.jpg 736w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/tissot-curses-against-the-pharisees-300x203.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/tissot-curses-against-the-pharisees-420x284.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/tissot-curses-against-the-pharisees-460x311.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/tissot-curses-against-the-pharisees-90x61.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 495px) 100vw, 495px\" \/><\/a><\/li>\n<li>2 Corinthians 4:4<\/li>\n<li><strong>biblical unitarian websites<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/21stcr.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">21st Century Reformation<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianmonotheism.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Christian monotheism<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblicalunitarian.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">biblical unitarian.com<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/dustinmartyr.wordpress.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Dustin Martyr blog<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/thebibleunitarian.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">the Bible Unitarian<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/focusonthekingdom.org\/index.html\" target=\"_blank\">Restoration Fellowship<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Today&#8217;s thinking music is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ccmixter.org\/files\/grapes\/24049\" target=\"_blank\">Ophelia&#8217;s Song<\/a> by <a href=\"http:\/\/ccmixter.org\/people\/grapes\" target=\"_blank\">grapes<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What if the official god of your theology isn\u2019t the one who actually gets his way in your life? 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