{"id":37504,"date":"2016-04-18T15:34:13","date_gmt":"2016-04-18T19:34:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=37504"},"modified":"2016-04-18T15:36:46","modified_gmt":"2016-04-18T19:36:46","slug":"podcast-135-david-barron-debating-jesuss-preexistence","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-135-david-barron-debating-jesuss-preexistence\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 135 &#8211; David Barron on debating Jesus&#8217;s preexistence"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_485\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-37504-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities135.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities135.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities135.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities135.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=37504-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities135.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities135.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-37508\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/David-Barron-debate.jpg\" alt=\"David Barron debate\" width=\"450\" height=\"285\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/David-Barron-debate.jpg 500w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/David-Barron-debate-300x190.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/David-Barron-debate-420x266.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/David-Barron-debate-460x292.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/David-Barron-debate-90x57.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 450px) 100vw, 450px\" \/><strong>Does the New Testament teach that Jesus existed before his human career?<\/strong> Or does it teach that Jesus came into existence at some point no earlier than his miraculous conception in Mary?<\/p>\n<p>This question was recently <strong>debated at length<\/strong> between David Barron and Dr. Dustin Smith, at an event hosted by Atlanta Bible College. In this episode <strong>I discuss this debate with Mr. Barron<\/strong>, who argued the &#8220;Pro&#8221; side in the debate, that the New Testament teaches that Jesus had a lengthy pre-human career.<\/p>\n<p>The first portion of our talk deals with wider issues, giving you more insight into Mr. Barron&#8217;s theology and christology\u00a0before you view the debate. The second portion is designed more for those who&#8217;ve seen the debate. <strong>You can watch the entire debate below.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>You can now also subscribe to the trinities podcast through <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/goo.gl\/app\/playmusic?ibi=com.google.PlayMusic&amp;isi=691797987&amp;ius=googleplaymusic&amp;link=https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Insikpprgwluqayuaf76gm6yx5m?t%3DTrinities\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play Music<\/a><\/strong>. For other ways to subscribe, <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcasts\/\" target=\"_blank\">see here<\/a>.\u00a0[spp-tweet tweet=&#8221;Did Jesus exist before he was a human?&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/EQ1RkLEBIEE\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/scripturaltruths.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">scripturaltruths.com<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=EQ1RkLEBIEE\" target=\"_blank\">David Barron vs. Dr. Dustin Smith &#8211; Debate on Jesus&#8217; Preexistence<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>a few of Mr. Barron&#8217;s previous debates\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=eZSnw_OYAZ4\" target=\"_blank\">David Barron vs. Dr. Phil Fernandes &#8211; Does the Bible Teach that Jesus is Almighty God?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=LsXGxjlitbc\" target=\"_blank\">Is the Father Alone the True God? David Barron vs &#8220;Turretinfan&#8221;<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UC_TOovl_XZoWQACoctcKr2Q\">scripturaltruths YouTube channel<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-37510\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/David-Barron-and-Dustin-Smith-in-debate.jpg\" alt=\"David Barron and Dustin Smith in debate\" width=\"474\" height=\"230\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/David-Barron-and-Dustin-Smith-in-debate.jpg 600w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/David-Barron-and-Dustin-Smith-in-debate-300x146.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/David-Barron-and-Dustin-Smith-in-debate-420x204.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/David-Barron-and-Dustin-Smith-in-debate-460x223.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/David-Barron-and-Dustin-Smith-in-debate-90x44.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 474px) 100vw, 474px\" \/><\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Dr. Dustin Smith&#8217;s <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/dustinmartyr.wordpress.com\/\">Dustin Martyr blog<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-30-the-council-of-nicea\/\">podcast 30 \u2013 The Council of Nicea<\/a><\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/incarnat\/\">Incarnation<\/a><\/strong>&#8221; by Dr. David Werther<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/do-the-gospels-disagree-about-jesus-and-god-part-1-three-options\/\">Do the Gospels disagree about Jesus and God? Part 1 \u2013 Three Options<\/a>\u00a0 (<a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/do-the-gospels-disagree-about-jesus-and-god-part-2-counting-the-costs\/\">Part 2<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li>Biblical texts discussed in this episode:\u00a01 Corinthians 10:1-13; Jude 5; Genesis 1:26-27; Genesis 19:24-25; John 1; John 8:58; John 17:5; Matthew 23:37.<\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s <strong>thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Ars_Sonor\/Future_Journeys\/02_Future_Journeys_Sweet_Memories_Mix\" target=\"_blank\">Future Journeys (Sweet Memories Mix)<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong> by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Ars_Sonor\/\" target=\"_blank\">Ars Sonor<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Did Jesus exist before his human career?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":37508,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,16,15,54,33,56,57,3,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-37504","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-books","category-christology","category-debates","category-incarnation","category-interview","category-podcast","category-theories","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37504","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=37504"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37504\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":37540,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37504\/revisions\/37540"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/37508"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=37504"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=37504"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=37504"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}