{"id":37581,"date":"2016-05-02T21:31:15","date_gmt":"2016-05-03T01:31:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=37581"},"modified":"2016-05-02T21:31:15","modified_gmt":"2016-05-03T01:31:15","slug":"podcast-137-daniel-whitbys-mystery-and-revelation-inconsistent","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-137-daniel-whitbys-mystery-and-revelation-inconsistent\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 137 &#8211; Daniel Whitby&#8217;s &#8220;Mystery and Revelation Inconsistent&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_3165\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-37581-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities137.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities137.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities137.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities137.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=37581-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities137.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities137.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/83633410@N07\/7658298768\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-37585\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/7658298768_e4c2c2635e_z-1.jpg\" alt=\"confused student - CC license, brigtened, cropped\" width=\"478\" height=\"427\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/7658298768_e4c2c2635e_z-1.jpg 478w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/7658298768_e4c2c2635e_z-1-300x268.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/7658298768_e4c2c2635e_z-1-420x375.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/7658298768_e4c2c2635e_z-1-460x411.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/7658298768_e4c2c2635e_z-1-90x80.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 478px) 100vw, 478px\" \/><\/a>Should we defend what we <em>think<\/em> are biblical, yet unintelligible or seemingly incoherent claims as &#8220;<strong>mysteries<\/strong>&#8220;?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Anglican theologian Dr. Daniel Whitby (1638-1726)<\/strong> doesn&#8217;t think so.<\/p>\n<p>Why? Because he&#8217;s a Protestant Christian, and he doesn&#8217;t find any example of this sort of excuse-making in the Bible. And he argues that it is\u00a0unreasonable to attribute<strong> indistinct muttering or<\/strong> <strong>clumsy hinting<\/strong> to the Inspirer of the biblical books, when it comes to things people must believe in order to be saved.<\/p>\n<p>At the end of\u00a0a long life spent in ministry and theological and apologetic writing, Dr. Whitby wrote the essay presented in this episode, in which he argues against mystery-mongering, that it is ruled out by the sufficiency and clarity of scripture.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Does he make a strong case?<\/strong> Why or why not?\u00a0[spp-tweet tweet=&#8221;Should we defend\u00a0unintelligible or seemingly incoherent claims as &#8216;<strong>mysteries&#8217;<\/strong>?&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/daniel-whitby\/the-last-thoughts-of-dr-whitby\/paperback\/product-1455469.html\"><em>The Last Thoughts of Daniel Whitby<\/em><\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/daniel-whitby\/the-last-thoughts-of-dr-whitby\/ebook\/product-17506221.html\">ebook-pdf<\/a>)<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.merriam-webster.com\/dictionary\/cozenage\">cozenage<\/a>,&#8221; &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.merriam-webster.com\/dictionary\/cozening\">to cozen<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-132-10-apologists-mistakes-about-the-trinity-part-2\/\">podcast 132 \u2013 10 Apologists\u2019 Mistakes about the Trinity \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 2 \u2013 the \u201cAthanasian Creed\u201d\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-2-the-athanasian-creed\/\">podcast 2 \u2013 the \u201cAthanasian Creed\u201d<\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/daniel-whitby\/the-last-thoughts-of-dr-whitby\/paperback\/product-1455469.html\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-37583\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Daniel-Whitby.jpg\" alt=\"Daniel Whitby\" width=\"394\" height=\"404\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Daniel-Whitby.jpg 500w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Daniel-Whitby-292x300.jpg 292w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Daniel-Whitby-420x431.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Daniel-Whitby-460x472.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Daniel-Whitby-90x92.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 394px) 100vw, 394px\" \/><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/an-argument-against-son-modalism\/\">An argument against Son-modalism<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.filosofia.unimi.it\/zucchi\/NuoviFile\/Cartwright-OnTheLogicalProblemOfTheTrinity.pdf\">Richard Cartwright (1925-2010), &#8220;On the Logical Problem of the Trinity&#8221;<\/a><\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/dale\/unfinished.pdf\">The Unfinished Business of Trinitarian Theorizing<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/how-trinity-theories-conflict-with-the-new-testament\/\">How Trinity theories conflict with the New Testament<\/a><\/li>\n<li>10 steps towards getting less confused about the Trinity \u2013 #3 Take the mystery out of <strong>appeals to \u201cmystery\u201d \u2013 <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/10-steps-towards-getting-less-confused-about-the-trinity-3-take-the-mystery-out-of-appeals-to-mystery-part-1\/\">Part 1<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/10-steps-towards-getting-less-confused-about-the-trinity-3-take-the-mystery-out-of-appeals-to-mystery-part-2\/\">Part 2<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/10-steps-towards-getting-less-confused-trinity-3-take-mystery-appeals-mystery-part-3\/\">Part 3<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/10-steps-towards-getting-less-confused-trinity-3-take-mystery-appeals-mystery-part-4\/\">Part 4<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#Mys\">Mysterianism<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-52-john-lockes-the-reasonableness-of-christianity-part-1\/\">podcast 52 \u2013 John Locke\u2019s The Reasonableness of Christianity, Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Texts discussed in this episode: Deuteronomy 29:29; 1 Peter 1:9; 1 Corinthians 14:8-9; 1 Timothy 2:4; 2 Corinthians 3:12.<\/li>\n<li>The <a href=\"http:\/\/Thirty-Nine Articles\">&#8220;Thirty-Nine Articles&#8221;<\/a> of the Church of England.<\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s <strong>thinking music<\/strong> is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Doctor_Turtle\/Flush_Your_Rolex_1416\/know_no_no-nos\">Know No No-Nos<\/a>&#8221; 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