{"id":37597,"date":"2016-05-07T06:17:34","date_gmt":"2016-05-07T10:17:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=37597"},"modified":"2016-05-07T08:37:32","modified_gmt":"2016-05-07T12:37:32","slug":"god-and-deus","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/god-and-deus\/","title":{"rendered":"God and Deus"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: left\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-37599 alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Schnorr_von_Carolsfeld_Bibel_in_Bildern_1860_0471-300x252.png\" alt=\"Schnorr_von_Carolsfeld_Bibel_in_Bildern_1860_047[1]\" width=\"300\" height=\"252\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Schnorr_von_Carolsfeld_Bibel_in_Bildern_1860_0471-300x252.png 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Schnorr_von_Carolsfeld_Bibel_in_Bildern_1860_0471-768x644.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Schnorr_von_Carolsfeld_Bibel_in_Bildern_1860_0471-1024x859.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Schnorr_von_Carolsfeld_Bibel_in_Bildern_1860_0471-420x352.png 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Schnorr_von_Carolsfeld_Bibel_in_Bildern_1860_0471-460x386.png 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Schnorr_von_Carolsfeld_Bibel_in_Bildern_1860_0471-90x75.png 90w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Schnorr_von_Carolsfeld_Bibel_in_Bildern_1860_0471.png 1098w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>Bill Vallicella, the famous <a href=\"http:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/\">Maverick Philosopher<\/a>, just dropped me a line asking whether, when Thomas Aquinas and Baruch Spinoza use the term &#8216;Deus&#8217;, they are referring to the same being. This is a difficult and interesting question.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left\">Bill uses the Latin name &#8216;Deus&#8217;, alluding to the fact that both men wrote in Latin. Latin was the choice of the &#8216;scholastic&#8217; theologians of the 13th century, because it was the language of European scholarship. Thus the work of Thomas, an Italian writing in the 1260s, would have been accessible without translation to his English contemporary Roger Marston. For much the same reason, Spinoza, writing 400 years later, also used Latin.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left\">Clearly both writers would have understood each other&#8217;s work, as regards the <em>dictionary<\/em> meanings of Latin words. So when Thomas writes (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.logicmuseum.com\/wiki\/Authors\/Thomas_Aquinas\/Summa_Theologiae\/Part_I\/Q7#q7a1co\"><i>Summa<\/i> I\u00aa q. 7 a. 1 co.<\/a>) <em>esse divinum non sit esse receptum in aliquo<\/em> \u2013 the divine being is not a being received in anything, Spinoza would have understood what he meant because he would have understood the standard meanings of &#8216;esse&#8217; (being), &#8216;divinum&#8217; (of or belonging to a deity, divine), &#8216;receptum&#8217; (that which is taken to one&#8217;s self, admitted, accepted, received) etc. That is clear. All these words are in Latin dictionaries. But when Thomas writes <em>Manifestum est quod ipse Deus sit infinitus et perfectus<\/em> \u2013 it is manifest that <i>Deus<\/i><em> Himself<\/em> is infinite and perfect \u2013\u00a0would he and Spinoza understand the proper name <i>Deus<\/i> in the same way?<\/p>\n<p>This is a difficult question, for many reasons. But there is at least one sort of case where it is clear they are using the name \u2018God\u2019 in exactly the same way, namely when they discuss the interpretation of the scriptures. Aquinas does this many times in <i>Summa Theologiae<\/i>, using the words of the Bible and the Church Fathers to support complex theological and philosophical arguments. Spinoza\u2019s <i>Theologico-Political Treatise<\/i> is an extensive commentary on the text of the Bible and its meaning, also supported throughout by biblical quotation. So when Thomas writes<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>According to Chrysostom (Hom. iii in Genes.), <i>Moses<\/i> prefaces his record by speaking of the works of <i>God<\/i> (<i>Deus<\/i>) collectively. (<em>Summa Theologiae<\/em> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.logicmuseum.com\/wiki\/Authors\/Thomas_Aquinas\/Summa_Theologiae\/Part_I\/Q68#q68a1ad1\">I\u00aa q. 68 a. 1 ad 1<\/a>)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>and Spinoza writes<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>As for the fact that <em>God<\/em> [<i>Deus<\/i>] was angry with him [Balak] while he was on his journey, that happened also to <em>Moses<\/em> when he was setting out for Egypt at the command of <em>God<\/em> [<i>Dei<\/i>]. (<i>Tractatus<\/i> ch. 3,\u00a0\u00a0alluding to Exodus <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Exodus+4:24-26\">4:24-26<\/a>)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>it is clear that they are talking about the same persons, i.e. they are both talking about <i>God<\/i>, and they are both talking about <i>Moses<\/i>. It is somewhat more complicated than that, because Spinoza has a special theory about what the word \u2018God\u2019 means in the <em>scriptures<\/em>, but more of that later. In the present case, it\u00a0seems clear that whenever we indirectly quote the scriptures, e.g. \u2018<a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Exodus+3%3A1&amp;version=KJV\">Exodus 3:1<\/a> says <i>that<\/i> Moses was setting out for Egypt at the command of God\u2019, we are specifying what the Bible says by using the names \u2018Moses\u2019 and \u2018God\u2019 exactly as the Bible uses them. Bill might disagree here, but\u00a0we shall\u00a0see.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Bill Vallicella, the famous Maverick Philosopher, just dropped me a line asking whether, when Thomas Aquinas and Baruch Spinoza use the term &#8216;Deus&#8217;, they are referring to the same being. This is a difficult and interesting question. Bill uses the Latin name &#8216;Deus&#8217;, alluding to the fact that both men wrote in Latin. Latin was&hellip;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/god-and-deus\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Read More &raquo;<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">God and Deus<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":37599,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[4,10,9,13,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-37597","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-logic","category-philosophy","category-theologians","category-theories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37597","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/6"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=37597"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37597\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":37602,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37597\/revisions\/37602"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/37599"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=37597"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=37597"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=37597"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}