{"id":37647,"date":"2016-05-16T18:33:04","date_gmt":"2016-05-16T22:33:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=37647"},"modified":"2016-05-16T18:33:04","modified_gmt":"2016-05-16T22:33:04","slug":"podcast-139-two-perspectives-doctrine-trinity-early-church","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-139-two-perspectives-doctrine-trinity-early-church\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 139 &#8211; Two Perspectives on the Doctrine of the Trinity in the Early Church"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_232\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-37647-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities139.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities139.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities139.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities139.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=37647-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities139.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities139.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-37655 alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/two-perspectives-sm.jpg\" alt=\"two perspectives sm\" width=\"505\" height=\"281\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/two-perspectives-sm.jpg 600w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/two-perspectives-sm-300x167.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/two-perspectives-sm-420x234.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/two-perspectives-sm-460x256.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/two-perspectives-sm-90x50.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 505px) 100vw, 505px\" \/><strong>Is the Doctrine of the Trinity articulated in the New Testament?<\/strong>\u00a0In what ways did the Early Church understand the metaphysics of the Trinity?\u00a0What motivated the Early Church to include the Son and the Spirit in the Godhead?<\/p>\n<p>In this episode, we hear these questions answered by patristics scholar\u00a0<strong>Professor Mark Edwards<\/strong> (Christ Church, Oxford), from the recent video below. I comment on his answers, agreeing and disagreeing. Thus, two perspectives are briefly sketched.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/r8GujRue8BQ?t=8m30s\"><strong>Here&#8217;s the whole video<\/strong>. Starting at 8:30<\/a>, Professor Edwards answers<strong> two more questions<\/strong>, not covered in this episode of the trinities podcast. (What are the main heresies concerning the Trinity?\u00a0How do modern approaches to the Trinity differ from those of the Early Church?)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.theology.ox.ac.uk\/people\/staff-list\/dr-mark-edwards.html\">Professor Edwards&#8217;s home page<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0754662977\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-37656 size-full\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Edwards-Catholicity-and-Heresy.jpg\" alt=\"Edwards, Catholicity and Heresy in the Early Church\" width=\"225\" height=\"346\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Edwards-Catholicity-and-Heresy.jpg 225w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Edwards-Catholicity-and-Heresy-195x300.jpg 195w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Edwards-Catholicity-and-Heresy-90x138.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 225px) 100vw, 225px\" \/><\/a><\/li>\n<li><em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0754662977\">Catholicity and Heresy in the Early Church<\/a><\/em>\u00a0(<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B00CJD3BNO\">kindle<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UC-yM2PeJEd33oQl4MQD7EPg\">Oxford Theology Society @ YouTube<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/10-steps-towards-getting-less-confused-about-the-trinity-8-trinity-vs-trinity\/\">&#8216;trinity&#8217; vs. &#8216;Trinity&#8217;<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/who-should-christians-worship\/\">Who Should Christians Worship?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 108 \u2013 Dr. Robert M. Bowman Jr. on triadic New Testament passages \u2013 part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-108-dr-robert-m-bowman-jr-on-triadic-new-testament-passages-part-2\/\">podcast 108 \u2013 Dr. Robert M. Bowman Jr. on triadic New Testament passages \u2013 part 2<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 107 \u2013 Dr. Robert M. Bowman Jr. on triadic New Testament passages \u2013 part 1\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-107-dr-robert-m-bowman-jr-on-triadic-new-testament-passages-part-1\/\">podcast 107 \u2013 Dr. Robert M. Bowman Jr. on triadic New Testament passages \u2013 part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 11 \u2013 Tertullian the unitarian\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-11-tertullian-the-unitarian\/\">podcast 11 \u2013 Tertullian the unitarian<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a title=\"podcast 16 \u2013 How is Jesus \u201cthe one Lord\u201d?\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-16-how-is-jesus-the-one-lord\/\">podcast 16 \u2013 How is Jesus \u201cthe one Lord\u201d?<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 15 \u2013 Are Paul\u2019s \u201cone God\u201d and \u201cone Lord\u201d one and the same?\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-15-are-pauls-one-god-and-one-lord-one-and-the-same\/\">podcast 15 \u2013 Are Paul\u2019s \u201cone God\u201d and \u201cone Lord\u201d one and the same?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 14 \u2013 One God, One Lord, Two Interpretations\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-14-one-god-one-lord-two-interpretations\/\">podcast 14 \u2013 One God, One Lord, Two Interpretations<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/kermit-zarley-on-my-lord-and-my-god\/\">Kermit Zarley on \u201cMy Lord and my God.\u201d<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/jesuss-argument-in-john-10\/\">Jesus&#8217;s Argument in John 10<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/in-the-new-testament-jesus-has-a-god-same-as-ours\/\">In the New Testament, Jesus has a god (who is also ours)<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-71-proverbs-8-jesus-part-1\/\">[Re: John 1:1]\u00a0podcast 71 \u2013 Is Proverbs 8 about Jesus? Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-lost-early-history-of-unitarian-christian-theology\/\">The Lost Early History of Unitarian Christian Theology<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0813210291\">Origen,<em> Commentary on the Gospel According to John<\/em>, Books 1-10, trans. Heine<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/trinitarian-or-unitarian-8-origen-on-god-vs-a-god\/\">Origen on \u201cGod\u201d vs. \u201ca god\u201d<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-orthodox-formulas-2-the-council-of-constantinople-381\/\">The Council of Constantinople (381)<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-26-pastor-sean-finnegan-on-the-holy-spirit-part-2\/\">podcast 26 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 2<\/a><br \/>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-37657\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Gregory-of-Nazianzus-icon.png\" alt=\"Gregory of Nazianzus icon\" width=\"500\" height=\"328\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Gregory-of-Nazianzus-icon.png 640w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Gregory-of-Nazianzus-icon-300x197.png 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Gregory-of-Nazianzus-icon-420x276.png 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Gregory-of-Nazianzus-icon-460x302.png 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Gregory-of-Nazianzus-icon-90x59.png 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 25 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 1\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-25-pastor-sean-finnegan-about-the-holy-spirit-part-1\/\">podcast 25 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0870612794\">Origen, <em>On First Principles<\/em>, trans. Butterworth<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/rufinuss-corruption-of-origens-on-first-principles-part-1\/\">Rufinus\u2019s corruption of Origen\u2019s On First Principles<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B017YC020Y\">Origen,<em> An Exhortation to Martyrdom, Prayer and Selected Works<\/em>, trans. Greer<\/a>. (See <em>On Prayer<\/em> XV re: praying to Jesus.)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0881412406\">Gregory of Nazianzus: <em>On God and Christ: The Five Theological Orations and Two Letters to Cledonius<\/em>, trans. Williams and Wickham<\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B004RR1D26\">kindle<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li>Texts discussed: Mt 28:16-20; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Philippians 2:9-11; Revelation 5; John 1:1; John 20:17; John 20:28; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; John 10:25-39; Hebrews 1:8-9; Proverbs 18:17.<\/li>\n<li><strong>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/files\/Pitx\/48064\">Found Smoke<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/people\/Pitx\">Pitx<\/a>.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Is the Doctrine of the Trinity articulated in the New Testament?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":37655,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,16,4,14,57,13,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-37647","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-books","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-history","category-podcast","category-theologians","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37647","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=37647"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37647\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":37670,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37647\/revisions\/37670"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/37655"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=37647"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=37647"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=37647"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}