{"id":37766,"date":"2016-06-13T08:47:21","date_gmt":"2016-06-13T12:47:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=37766"},"modified":"2016-06-14T13:23:36","modified_gmt":"2016-06-14T17:23:36","slug":"podcast-143-dr-timothy-pawls-in-defense-of-conciliar-christology-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-143-dr-timothy-pawls-in-defense-of-conciliar-christology-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 143 &#8211; Dr. Timothy Pawl&#8217;s In Defense of Conciliar Christology &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7055\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-37766-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities143.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities143.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities143.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities143.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=37766-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities143.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities143.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0198765924\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-37767\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Timothy-Pawl-In-Defense-of-Conciliar-Christology.jpg\" alt=\"Timothy Pawl - In Defense of Conciliar Christology\" width=\"264\" height=\"396\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Timothy-Pawl-In-Defense-of-Conciliar-Christology.jpg 297w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Timothy-Pawl-In-Defense-of-Conciliar-Christology-200x300.jpg 200w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Timothy-Pawl-In-Defense-of-Conciliar-Christology-90x135.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 264px) 100vw, 264px\" \/><\/a>Roman Catholic theology is officially committed to the teachings of <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/library\/almanac_14388a.htm\">21 councils<\/a><\/strong>. Eastern Orthodox theology accepts only the first seven of these, called &#8220;the <strong>seven ecumenical councils<\/strong>.&#8221; While no Protestant accepts the authority of all 21 Catholic councils, Protestantism has been ambivalent about the first seven &#8211; with a few accepting all, many accepting the first four, some eschewing all such in preference for the Bible, and some accepting such teachings only insofar as they are in fact summarizing the teachings of scripture. In this book Dr. Timothy Pawl constructs a <strong>philosophical defense of the self-consistency of &#8220;conciliar christology,&#8221;<\/strong> meaning all that these first seven councils claim about Christ.<\/p>\n<p>In this episode, Dr. Pawl briefly recaps the seven ecumenical councils, and then discusses some <strong>crucial definitions<\/strong> in his book: &#8220;supposit,&#8221; &#8220;person,&#8221; and &#8220;nature.&#8221;\u00a0 We then discuss whether or not catholic christology should be understood as <strong>God becoming embodied<\/strong> in a human body, or <strong>God coming to cooperate and live along with a certain man<\/strong>. Finally, Dr. Pawl explains why he discusses these issues in terms of incompatible <strong>predications<\/strong> (terms applied to Christ) rather than incompatible properties (attributes of Christ).<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Correction<\/strong>: In the introduction I say that Dr. Pawl <\/em>taught <em>at Notre Dame. As his C.V. says, he held a visiting fellowship there, but this did not (as I wrongly assumed) include teaching any classes (other than the occasional guest lecture). Thanks to Dr. Pawl for the correction.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Next week<\/strong> we&#8217;ll hear about Dr. Pawl&#8217;s proposed solution, and what he thinks of other recent approaches in the literature, such as &#8220;kenosis&#8221; and &#8220;two minds&#8221; theories about the incarnation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/timpawl.wordpress.com\/\">Dr. Pawl&#8217;s personal home page<\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0814656161\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-37768\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Leo-Donal-Davis-The-First-Seven-Ecumenical-Councils.jpg\" alt=\"Leo Donald Davis - The First Seven Ecumenical Councils\" width=\"263\" height=\"406\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Leo-Donal-Davis-The-First-Seven-Ecumenical-Councils.jpg 324w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Leo-Donal-Davis-The-First-Seven-Ecumenical-Councils-194x300.jpg 194w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Leo-Donal-Davis-The-First-Seven-Ecumenical-Councils-90x139.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 263px) 100vw, 263px\" \/><\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0198765924\"><em>In Defense of Conciliar Christology<\/em><\/a><\/strong> (<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B01BLYGOSU\">kindle<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.stthomas.edu\/philosophy\/faculty\/timothy-pawl.html\">Dr. Pawl&#8217;s page at the University of St. Thomas<\/a><\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=y4iAuhUyxBc\">Is God Becoming Man Logically Impossible?<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/randalrauser.com\/2016\/02\/86-making-sense-of-the-incarnation-a-conversation-with-timothy-pawl\/\">The Tentative Apologist 86. Making Sense of the Incarnation: A Conversation with Timothy Pawl<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 30 \u2013 The Council of Nicea\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-30-the-council-of-nicea\/\">podcast 30 \u2013 The Council of Nicea<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=The+Orthodox+Formulas\">standard formulas [about the Trinity]<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.britannica.com\/biography\/Nestorius\">Nestorius<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.britannica.com\/biography\/Saint-Cyril-of-Alexandria\">Cyril of Alexandria<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.britannica.com\/biography\/Saint-Leo-I\">Leo I<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Justinian_I\">Justinian I<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Theodore_of_Mopsuestia\">Theodore of Mopsuestia<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/First_seven_Ecumenical_Councils\">The Seven Ecumenical Councils<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Thomas Morris, <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/1579106293\"><em>The Logic of God Incarnate<\/em><\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Leo Donald Davis, <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0814656161\"><em>The First Seven Ecumenical Councils (325-787): Their History and Theology<\/em><\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Joseph Pohle, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/joseph-pohle\/christology-a-dogmatic-treatise-on-the-incarnation\/paperback\/product-4067815.html\"><em>Christology: A Dogmatic Treatise on the Incarnation <\/em><\/a>(<a href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/joseph-pohle\/christology-a-dogmatic-treatise-on-the-incarnation\/ebook\/product-17440787.html\">ebook<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><strong>Today&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/files\/admiralbob77\/48207\">Recovered Memory<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong> by <a href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/people\/admiralbob77\">Admiral Bob<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Is &#8220;conciliar christology&#8221; coherent?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":37767,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,16,15,33,56,9,57,77,7,76],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-37766","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-books","category-christology","category-incarnation","category-interview","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-protestant","category-quotes","category-roman-catholicism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37766","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=37766"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37766\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":37780,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37766\/revisions\/37780"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/37767"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=37766"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=37766"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=37766"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}