{"id":37784,"date":"2016-06-27T09:35:40","date_gmt":"2016-06-27T13:35:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=37784"},"modified":"2016-06-27T09:35:40","modified_gmt":"2016-06-27T13:35:40","slug":"podcast-145-tis-mystery-immortal-dies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-145-tis-mystery-immortal-dies\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 145 &#8211; &#8216;Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7599\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-37784-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities145.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities145.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities145.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities145.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=37784-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities145.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities145.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-37785\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/mystery-all.jpg\" alt=\"mystery all\" width=\"464\" height=\"346\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/mystery-all.jpg 500w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/mystery-all-300x224.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/mystery-all-420x313.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/mystery-all-460x343.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/mystery-all-90x67.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 464px) 100vw, 464px\" \/><strong>God is immortal. But Jesus died.<\/strong> Does it follow\u00a0that Jesus is not God?<\/p>\n<p>In this recent talk, I consider this <strong>inconsistent triad<\/strong> of claims:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1. Jesus died.<br \/>\n2. Jesus was fully divine.<br \/>\n3. No fully divine being has ever died.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Any two of these imply that the remaining claim\u00a0is false. Thus, it can&#8217;t be that all three are true.<\/p>\n<p>[spp-tweet tweet=&#8221;Jesus died&#8230; but did God?&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>I argue that 1 should be non-negotiable for any Christian.<\/p>\n<p><strong>A common view<\/strong> is that 1 and 2 are true, while 3 is false. I explain why I think this runs contrary to New Testament teaching.\u00a0<strong>I argue<\/strong> that\u00a0the\u00a0New Testament requires that a Christian should affirm 1 and 3 and deny 2.<\/p>\n<p>Are you persuaded? Why or why not?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/presentation\/d\/1t0pONI_3GGtFNZ148O6Ci_ADUovR-eUP4LBYbty7Nzc\/edit?usp=sharing\">Slides from the presentation<\/a><\/strong> if you want to click through while listening.\n<ul>\n<li>A <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=sh0TACrppww\">video of this talk<\/a> by Sharon Gill of 21st Century Reformation.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=sh0TACrppww\">Another video<\/a>, with slides, by Carlos and Sarah Jimenez.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Daniel 4:28-33;\u00a01 Timothy 1:17;\u00a0Romans 1:23; 1 Corinthians 15:52;\u00a01 Timothy 6:13-17;\u00a0Matthew 24:36; John 3:34; John 14:10.<\/li>\n<li><strong>David Werther, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/incarnat\/\">Incarnation<\/a>.&#8221;<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/boyd-on-incarnation\/\">Gregory Boyd on Incarnation<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Anthony Buzzard, <a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0967324971\"><em>Jesus was not a Trinitarian<\/em><\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B007USU6BS\">kindle<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 144 \u2013 Dr. Timothy Pawl\u2019s In Defense of Conciliar Christology \u2013 Part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-144-dr-timothy-pawls-defense-conciliar-christology-part-2\/\">podcast 144 \u2013 Dr. Timothy Pawl\u2019s In Defense of Conciliar Christology \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 143 \u2013 Dr. Timothy Pawl\u2019s In Defense of Conciliar Christology \u2013 Part 1\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-143-dr-timothy-pawls-in-defense-of-conciliar-christology-part-1\/\">podcast 143 \u2013 Dr. Timothy Pawl\u2019s In Defense of Conciliar Christology \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-lost-early-history-of-unitarian-christian-theology\/\">The Lost Early History of Unitarian Christian Theology<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s <strong>thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Kai_Engel\/The_Scope\/Kai_Engel_-_The_Scope_-_06_Wake_Up\">Wake Up<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong> by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Kai_Engel\/\">Kai Engel<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>God is immortal. 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