{"id":37796,"date":"2016-06-25T05:19:58","date_gmt":"2016-06-25T09:19:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=37796"},"modified":"2016-06-25T05:31:14","modified_gmt":"2016-06-25T09:31:14","slug":"does-god-have-a-body","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/does-god-have-a-body\/","title":{"rendered":"Does God have a body?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Dale writes<\/a>:<\/p>\n

A self is being which is in principle capable of knowledge, intentional action, and interpersonal relationships<\/i>. A god is commonly understood to be a sort of extraordinary self<\/i>. In the Bible, the god Yahweh (a.k.a. \u201cthe LORD\u201d) commands, forgives, controls history, predicts the future, occasionally appears in humanoid form, enters contracts with human beings, and sends prophets, whom he even allows to argue with him. More than a common god in a pantheon of gods, he is portrayed as being the one creator of the cosmos, and as having uniquely great power, knowledge, and goodness.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Does this mean that God is a person? If so, does this mean that God has a body?<\/p>\n

In The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel<\/i> Benjamin Sommer argues that it was the normal view in Judaism and in other ancient near east religions that God does have a human-like body, based on Genesis 1. (\u2018made in his image and likeness\u2019). See also the well-known passage in Exodus 33<\/a> where Moses is allowed to see God\u2019s backside, but nothing else. \u201cWhen my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand<\/em> until I have passed by<\/em>. Then I will remove my hand<\/em> and you will see my back<\/em>; but my face<\/em> must not be seen.\u201d So God is able to move from one place to another, since he can \u2018pass by\u2019, and he also has a hand (and a face).<\/p>\n

Sed contra<\/i>: Deuteronomy 4:11 \u2018Then the Lord spoke to you out of the midst of the fire. You heard the sound of words, but saw no form<\/i>; there was only a voice.\u2019<\/p>\n

In this connection, I have been reading P.F. Strawson\u2019s seminal 1959 work Individuals<\/a>. Strawson writes (Individuals<\/i>, p.58) \u2018it is a conceptual truth that persons have material bodies\u2019. Assuming that God is a self or a person, does this mean that God has a material body?<\/p>\n

I looked at Strawson\u2019s argument again, as far as I could make sense of it. It\u2019s a transcendental argument<\/a>, namely an argument that X is a necessary condition for the possibility of Y, that Y is the case, and so X is the case. Strawson defines the concept of a person as the subject of both M (material) predicates such as \u2018weighs 200 lbs\u2019 and P (psychological) predicates such as \u2018is depressed\u2019. This is merely a definition, but he goes on to argue (p.102) that the concept of a person, i.e. that which can satisfy both types of predicate, is logically primitive, whereas the concept of a subject who can satisfy P predicates is logically posterior, i.e. can exist only, if at all, as a secondary non-primitive concept, which itself is explicable only in terms of the concept of a person. Thus it is a necessary condition of our having the concept of a subject of experience that it must involve the same subject being able to satisfy material predicates like \u2018weighs 200 lbs\u2019 etc.; we do<\/i> have the concept of a subject of experience;\u00a0ergo such subjects must be persons as Strawson has defined \u2018person\u2019, i.e. a subject to which we attribute both P and<\/em> M type predicates.<\/p>\n

He adds (p.116) \u2018It is for this reason that the orthodox have wisely insisted on the resurrection of the body\u2019.<\/p>\n

His reasoning is difficult to follow, but here is my interpretation. The predicate \u2018depressed\u2019 has the same meaning whether you say to me \u2018I am depressed\u2019 or I say, \u2018you are depressed\u2019, to you. The first is a case of self-assignment of an experience, the other is a case of assigning such an experience to another. This means that we have both the concept of an experience or state of consciousness, i.e. what is predicated by a P-predicate, and a concept of the subject<\/em> of experience, i.e. the subject of the state of consciousness.<\/p>\n

Now if I tell you that I am also<\/i> depressed, it follows that different subjects can have the same experience, i.e. when you and I\u00a0each say \u2018I am depressed\u2019 or, to each other, \u2018you are depressed\u2019, we are predicating the same thing of different subjects. But different subjects of experience must be distinguishable and identifiable (p.102) , and it is part of Strawson\u2019s wider thesis that subjects can be distinguishable and identifiable only if they are embodied, that is, part of a unified spatio-temporal framework. Thus the concept of a subject of experience would be impossible if the concept were logically primitive. \u2018For there could never be any question of assigning an experience, as such, to any subject other than oneself; and therefore never any question of assigning it to oneself either, never any question of ascribing it to a subject at all\u2019. Thus the concept of a person, i.e. a conscious material being, is logically primitive.<\/p>\n

This suggests that we can only have the concept of God as an individual being, i.e. a sort of extraordinary self who commands, forgives, controls history, predicts the future etc, if that concept also<\/i> includes being the subject of predicates such as \u2018has a human form\u2019, \u2018weighs X lbs\u2019 and so on. Yet the people saw no form. How is that? Where does Strawson\u2019s argument go wrong?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Dale writes: A self is being which is in principle capable of knowledge, intentional action, and interpersonal relationships. A god is commonly understood to be a sort of extraordinary self. In the Bible, the god Yahweh (a.k.a. \u201cthe LORD\u201d) commands, forgives, controls history, predicts the future, occasionally appears in humanoid form, enters contracts with human… Read More »Does God have a body?<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":37797,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[63,75,9],"tags":[78],"class_list":["post-37796","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-being","category-divine-attributes","category-philosophy","tag-individuation"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37796","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/6"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=37796"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37796\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":37801,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37796\/revisions\/37801"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/37797"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=37796"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=37796"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=37796"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}