{"id":37840,"date":"2016-07-11T22:11:59","date_gmt":"2016-07-12T02:11:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=37840"},"modified":"2021-03-24T16:23:27","modified_gmt":"2021-03-24T21:23:27","slug":"podcast-146-jesus-exemplar-faith-new-testament","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-146-jesus-exemplar-faith-new-testament\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 146 &#8211; Jesus as an Exemplar of Faith in the New Testament"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_9735\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-37840-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities146.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities146.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities146.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities146.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=37840-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities146.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities146.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"400\" height=\"277\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/christ_gethsemane_dewey-other-way.jpg\" alt=\"christ_gethsemane_dewey other way\" class=\"wp-image-37841\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/christ_gethsemane_dewey-other-way.jpg 400w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/christ_gethsemane_dewey-other-way-300x208.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/christ_gethsemane_dewey-other-way-90x62.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">During his brief ministry, <strong>did Jesus put his faith in God?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Some Christians deny<\/strong> that he did, including Saint Thomas Aquinas and at least one <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=%22Did+Jesus+have+faith+in+God%3F%22\">present-day evangelical apologist<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>In this talk I argue that they&#8217;re mistaken<\/strong>; to the contrary,&nbsp;Jesus is presented as an exemplar of faith by multiple New Testament authors. In this, I side with some recent Roman Catholic interpreters, and with other scholars such as Ian Wallis&nbsp;and Teresa Morgan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Along the way, I consider the <strong>theological and christological implications<\/strong> of Jesus having faith in God, focusing on responses to this argument:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>1. Jesus had faith in God.<br \/>2. A fully divine being never has faith in God.<br \/>3. Therefore, Jesus was not fully divine.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Some, as you&#8217;ll hear, deny premise &nbsp;1 and\/or premise 2. In my view, it&#8217;s a sound argument; but here, I mostly focus on establishing premise 1.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This presentation&nbsp;was&nbsp;made possible through the support of a grant from the <strong>Templeton Religion Trust<\/strong>, to <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.thenatureandvalueoffaith.com\/events\/\">The Nature and Value of Faith project<\/a><\/strong>. The&nbsp;opinions expressed in it&nbsp;are those of the speaker&nbsp;and do not necessarily reflect the views of the&nbsp;Templeton Religion Trust.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>[spp-tweet tweet=&#8221;Did Jesus have faith in God?&#8221;]<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Update: this has now been <a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/44018045\/Jesus_as_an_exemplar_of_faith_in_the_New_Testament\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"published (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">published<\/a> in the <em><a href=\"https:\/\/link.springer.com\/article\/10.1007\/s11153-016-9604-z\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"International Journal for Philosophy of Religion (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">International Journal for Philosophy of Religion<\/a><\/em>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/presentation\/d\/1n8z29A1w73rw5DUaPXEYZVI91OZvU7cNTDLU8HAwlYg\/edit?usp=sharing\">slides for this presentation<\/a><\/strong><\/li><li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.thenatureandvalueoffaith.com\/\">The Nature and Value of Faith project page<\/a><\/strong><\/li><li><a title=\"podcast 144 \u2013 Dr. Timothy Pawl\u2019s In Defense of Conciliar Christology \u2013 Part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-144-dr-timothy-pawls-defense-conciliar-christology-part-2\/\">podcast 144 \u2013 Dr. Timothy Pawl\u2019s In Defense of Conciliar Christology \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li><li><a title=\"podcast 143 \u2013 Dr. Timothy Pawl\u2019s In Defense of Conciliar Christology \u2013 Part 1\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-143-dr-timothy-pawls-in-defense-of-conciliar-christology-part-1\/\">podcast 143 \u2013 Dr. Timothy Pawl\u2019s In Defense of Conciliar Christology \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"http:\/\/biblehub.com\/greek\/3640.htm\"><em>oligopistos<\/em><\/a><\/li><li><a title=\"podcast 59 \u2013 Dr. Carl Mosser on salvation as deification\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-59-dr-carl-mosser-on-salvation-as-deification\/\">podcast 59 \u2013 Dr. Carl Mosser on salvation as deification<\/a><\/li><li><a title=\"podcast 115 \u2013 the aborted council at Serdica in 343\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-115-the-aborted-council-at-serdica-in-343\/\">podcast 115 \u2013 the aborted council at Serdica in 343<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/sites.google.com\/site\/stephendaviscmc\/\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5;\">Stephen T. Davis<\/span><\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.baylor.edu\/philosophy\/index.php?id=871791\">C. Stephen Evans<\/a>, ed.&nbsp;<em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/1573834440\">Exploring Kenotic Christology: The Self-Emptying of God<\/a><\/em><\/li><li><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-37846\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Wallis-The-Faith-of-Jesus.jpg\" alt=\"Wallis, The Faith of Jesus\" width=\"180\" height=\"278\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Wallis-The-Faith-of-Jesus.jpg 180w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Wallis-The-Faith-of-Jesus-90x139.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 180px) 100vw, 180px\" \/><strong>Ian Wallis,&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0521018846\"><em>The Faith of Jesus Christ in Early Christian Traditions<\/em><\/a><\/strong><\/li><li>Teresa Morgan,&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0198724144\"><em>Roman Faith and Christian Faith: Pistis and Fides in the Early Roman Empire and Early Churches<\/em><\/a><\/li><li>Texts mentioned in this episode: Luke 1:5-20; Luke 1:26-38; Luke 10:16; Hebrews 12:1-4; Hebrews 2:13; Luke 8:43-48; Matthew 27:27-44; Luke 4:16-30; Luke 5:16;&nbsp;Mark 14:32-42; Philippians 2; John 5:19; John 10:30; John 19:30; John 8:40; Matthew 21:18-22; Matthew 17:14-20; Matthew 8:23-27; Mark 4:35-41;&nbsp;Matthew 24:36; Colossians 1:18; Revelation 1:5; Acts 5:31; 2 Peter 1:4; Mark 11:15-17.<\/li><li>This week&#8217;s <strong>thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Doctor_Turtle\/~\/Always_The_Teasmade_Never_The_Tease\">Always The Teasmade Never The Tease<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong> by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Doctor_Turtle\/\">Doctor Turtle<\/a>.<\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Did Jesus have faith in God?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":37841,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,15,33,20,47,9,57,77,76,13,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-37840","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-christology","category-incarnation","category-mystery","category-papers","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-protestant","category-roman-catholicism","category-theologians","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37840","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=37840"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37840\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":43161,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/37840\/revisions\/43161"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/37841"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=37840"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=37840"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=37840"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}