{"id":37994,"date":"2016-10-03T15:02:32","date_gmt":"2016-10-03T19:02:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=37994"},"modified":"2016-10-10T16:31:53","modified_gmt":"2016-10-10T20:31:53","slug":"podcast-153-mormons-seeing-the-man-behind-the-curtain-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-153-mormons-seeing-the-man-behind-the-curtain-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 153 &#8211; Mormons seeing the man behind the curtain &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_3029\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-37994-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities153.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities153.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities153.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities153.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=37994-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities153.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities153.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-37997 size-full\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Joseph-Smith-dead-and-alive-bw.jpg\" alt=\"The death mask of Joseph Smith, and a painting of him done during his life\" width=\"500\" height=\"331\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Joseph-Smith-dead-and-alive-bw.jpg 500w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Joseph-Smith-dead-and-alive-bw-300x199.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Joseph-Smith-dead-and-alive-bw-420x278.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Joseph-Smith-dead-and-alive-bw-460x305.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Joseph-Smith-dead-and-alive-bw-90x60.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Joseph Smith made some bold claims<\/strong>, many of which have been provably false for many years. In the past, the leadership of the LDS church found it fairly easy to focus church members on church-approved versions of the life of Smith and of early Mormon history. All opposing literature was smeared as <strong>&#8220;anti-Mormon,&#8221;<\/strong> and the faithful were warned against it, and to a large extent avoided it.<\/p>\n<p>But <strong>the internet has <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mormonthink.com\/\">exploded this system<\/a><\/strong>. Large numbers of Mormons are now wrestling with the unvarnished historical record.<\/p>\n<p>In this episode I discuss my own history of thinking about Mormonism, and <strong>some books and a podcast<\/strong> that anyone interested in the history of Mormonism should know about.<\/p>\n<p>Next week in part 2 I&#8217;ll discuss some interesting recent insider-whistleblowers, and the evidence they&#8217;ve\u00a0presented about Smith and his claims.\u00a0[spp-tweet tweet=&#8221;Mormons seeing the man behind the curtain &#8211; Part 1&#8243;]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Mark Twain,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/roughingit03177gut\"><em>Roughing It<\/em><\/a><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/ref=assoc_res_sw_view_all?tag=trinitiesorg-20&amp;link_code=w14&amp;linkID=ISZSX35I27NLT3KG&amp;_encoding=UTF-8&amp;field-keywords=joseph+smith+rough+stone+rolling\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-37999\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Joseph-Smith-Rough-Stone-Rolling.jpg\" alt=\"Joseph Smith - Rough Stone Rolling by Bushman\" width=\"341\" height=\"499\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Joseph-Smith-Rough-Stone-Rolling.jpg 341w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Joseph-Smith-Rough-Stone-Rolling-205x300.jpg 205w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Joseph-Smith-Rough-Stone-Rolling-90x132.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 341px) 100vw, 341px\" \/><\/a><\/em>\n<ul>\n<li>on the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.truthandgrace.com\/twainbom.htm\"><em>Book of Mormon<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>historian <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Fawn_M._Brodie\">Fawn Brodie<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/NoManKnowsMyHistory\"><em>No Man Knows My History<\/em><\/a><\/strong> (Amazon)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.salamandersociety.com\/interviews\/fawnbrodie\/\">interviewed<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Hugh W. Nibley, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sainesburyproject.com\/mormonstuff\/No%20Ma'am%20That's%20Not%20History.pdf\"><em>No, Ma&#8217;am, That&#8217;s Not History<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.history.columbia.edu\/faculty\/Bushman.html\">Richard Bushman<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/ref=assoc_res_sw_view_all?tag=trinitiesorg-20&amp;link_code=w14&amp;linkID=ISZSX35I27NLT3KG&amp;_encoding=UTF-8&amp;field-keywords=joseph+smith+rough+stone+rolling\"><em>Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mormonstories.org\/\">Mormon Stories podcast<\/a><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mormonstories.org\/john-dehlin\/\">John Dehlin<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mormonstories.org\/john-dehlin-ask-me-almost-anything-on-facebook-live\/\">642: John Dehlin \u201cAsk Me Almost Anything\u201d on Facebook Live<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/infantsonthrones.com\/about\/\">Infants on Thrones podcast<\/a> episode:\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/infantsonthrones.com\/john-dehlin-the-reluctant-atheist\/\">John Dehlin: The Reluctant Atheist<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>South Park, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/All_About_Mormons\">All About Mormons<\/a>&#8221; episode\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mormonthink.com\/lost116web.htm\">the lost 116 pages of the <em>Book of Mormon<\/em><\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mormonthink.com\/\">mormonthink<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>on Smith as a pious fraud: &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Z4JlJaD2fks\">Joseph Smith&#8217;s Motives &#8211; The Prophet Puzzle &#8211; Dan Vogel<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/religion\/#SH1b\">religious realism vs. anti-realism \/ non-realism<\/a><\/li>\n<li>\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.fairmormon.org\/\">fairmormon.org<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.fairmormon.org\/perspectives\/authors\/gordon-scott\">Scott Gordon<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/evil\/\">the problem of evil<\/a><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/evil-log\/\">Logical Problem of Evil<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/AjglKOHS6L0?list=PL0B58AB39400D982E\">Does Evil Imply Atheism?<\/a>&#8221; 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