{"id":38123,"date":"2016-11-07T16:26:30","date_gmt":"2016-11-07T21:26:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=38123"},"modified":"2016-11-07T16:30:46","modified_gmt":"2016-11-07T21:30:46","slug":"podcast-158-listener-questions-3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-158-listener-questions-3\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 158 &#8211; Listener Questions 3"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_5040\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-38123-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities158.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities158.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities158.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities158.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=38123-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities158.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities158.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-38124 alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/question-and-answer-e1478547374930.jpg\" alt=\"question-and-answer\" width=\"342\" height=\"347\" \/><strong>Is the Trinity the best explanation of Christian experience?<\/strong> In this episode I tackle this and many other listener questions, including a series of good questions about the views of the famous Anglican minister and philosopher-theologian <strong>Dr. Samuel Clarke (1675-1729)<\/strong>. How do his views compare to one-self and three-self Trinity theories? How do Clarke&#8217;s views relate to those of the pre-Nicene &#8220;fathers&#8221; he quotes at such length? How does he differ, as a Protestant, from people like Luther or Calvin? Isn&#8217;t his sort of theology a widely neglected option for Christians, an option which is <strong>neither Nicene nor &#8220;Arian&#8221;?<\/strong> Was he correct in thinking it to be an orthodox theory? And are there any obvious biblical or theological problems with it?<\/p>\n<p>[spp-tweet tweet=&#8221;A widely neglected option for Christians which is neither Nicene nor Arian?&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Peter Taylor Forsyth, <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/personplacejes00forsuoft\"><em>The Person and Place of Jesus Christ<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-38128\" title=\"podcast 26 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 2\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/samuel-clarke-on-the-trinity.jpg\" alt=\"samuel-clarke-on-the-trinity\" width=\"188\" height=\"291\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/samuel-clarke-on-the-trinity.jpg 207w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/samuel-clarke-on-the-trinity-194x300.jpg 194w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/samuel-clarke-on-the-trinity-90x139.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 188px) 100vw, 188px\" \/><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Samuel Clarke, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/samuel-clarke\/the-scripture-doctrine-of-the-trinity-and-related-writings\/paperback\/product-3787826.html\"><em>The Scripture Doctrine of the Trinity<\/em><\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Ferguson, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Dr-Samuel-Clarke-eighteenth-century\/dp\/0900093595\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1478551688&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=samuel+clarke+heretic\"><em>Dr. Samuel Clarke: An Eighteenth Century Heretic<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#OneSel\">one-self Trinity theories<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/if-modalism-about-the-son-were-true-then\/\">If Modalism about the Son were true, then\u2026<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#ThrSel\">three-self Trinity theories<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/unitarianism.html\">Christian unitarian theologies<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-lost-early-history-of-unitarian-christian-theology\/\">The Lost Early History of Unitarian Christian Theology<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Boobyer, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/onlytruegod.org\/defense\/boobyer.theos_newtestament.htm\">Jesus as &#8216;<em>theos<\/em>&#8216; in the New Testament<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li><strong><a title=\"podcast 100 \u2013 Dr. Larry Hurtado on God in New Testament Theology\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-100-dr-larry-hurtado-on-god-in-new-testament-theology\/\">podcast 100 \u2013 Dr. Larry Hurtado on God in New Testament Theology<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Nathaniel Lardner, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/nathaniel-lardner\/lardner-on-the-trinity\/paperback\/product-4072119.html\">A Letter Written in the Year 1730, Concerning the Question, Whether the Logos Supplied the Place of an Human Soul in the Person of Jesus Christ<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li>Philip Jenkins,<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/ref=assoc_res_sw_view_all?tag=trinitiesorg-20&amp;link_code=w14&amp;linkID=ISZSX35I27NLT3KG&amp;_encoding=UTF-8&amp;field-keywords=Philip+Jenkins%2C+Jesus+Wars\"><em> Jesus War<\/em>s<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 31 \u2013 Dr. William Hasker on the \u201cArian\u201d Controversy\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-31-william-hasker-on-the-arian-controversy\/\">podcast 31 \u2013 Dr. William Hasker on the \u201cArian\u201d Controversy<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a title=\"podcast 30 \u2013 The Council of Nicea\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-30-the-council-of-nicea\/\">podcast 30 \u2013 The Council of Nicea<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 29 \u2013 Arius\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-29-arius\/\">podcast 29 \u2013 Arius<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 28 \u2013 Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God \u2013 Part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-28-interview-with-dr-william-hasker-about-his-metaphysics-and-the-tripersonal-god-part-2\/\">podcast 28 \u2013 Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God \u2013 Part 2<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/personplacejes00forsuoft\"><em><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-38126\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/trinity-three-faces-on-one-head.jpg\" alt=\"trinity-three-faces-on-one-head\" width=\"205\" height=\"248\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/trinity-three-faces-on-one-head.jpg 250w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/trinity-three-faces-on-one-head-248x300.jpg 248w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/trinity-three-faces-on-one-head-90x109.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 205px) 100vw, 205px\" \/><\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 27 \u2013 Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God \u2013 Part 1\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-27-interview-with-dr-william-hasker-about-his-metaphysics-and-the-tripersonal-god-part-1\/\">podcast 27 \u2013 Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 57 \u2013 Richard Swinburne on the Trinity\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-57-richard-swinburne-on-the-trinity\/\">podcast 57 \u2013 Richard Swinburne on the Trinity<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 63 \u2013 Thomas Belsham and other scholars on John 8:58\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-63-thomas-belsham-and-other-scholars-on-john-858\/\">podcast 63 \u2013 Thomas Belsham and other scholars on John 8:58<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 62 \u2013 Dr. Dustin Smith on the preexistence of Jesus in the gospel of John\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-62-dr-dustin-smith-on-the-preexistence-of-jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john\/\">podcast 62 \u2013 Dr. Dustin Smith on the preexistence of Jesus in the gospel of John<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 61 \u2013 Dr. Dustin Smith on preexistence in ancient Jewish thought\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-61-dr-dustin-smith-on-preexistence-in-ancient-jewish-thought\/\">podcast 61 \u2013 Dr. Dustin Smith on preexistence in ancient Jewish thought<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 26 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-26-pastor-sean-finnegan-on-the-holy-spirit-part-2\/\">podcast 26 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a title=\"podcast 25 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 1\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-25-pastor-sean-finnegan-about-the-holy-spirit-part-1\/\">podcast 25 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong><a title=\"podcast 119 \u2013 The Son of God 3 \u2013 Dr. Dustin Smith\u2019s \u201cSocinian\u201d view of Jesus\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-119-the-son-of-god-3-dr-dustin-smiths-socinian-view-of-jesus\/\">podcast 119 \u2013 The Son of God 3 \u2013 Dr. Dustin Smith\u2019s \u201cSocinian\u201d view of Jesus<\/a><a title=\"podcast 26 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-26-pastor-sean-finnegan-on-the-holy-spirit-part-2\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-38135\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/dove-holy-spirit.jpg\" alt=\"dove-holy-spirit\" width=\"350\" height=\"234\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/dove-holy-spirit.jpg 511w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/dove-holy-spirit-300x201.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/dove-holy-spirit-420x281.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/dove-holy-spirit-460x308.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/dove-holy-spirit-90x60.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\" \/><\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 118 \u2013 The Son of God 2 \u2013 Mr. Danny Andre Dixon\u2019s \u201cArian\u201d view of Jesus\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-118-the-son-of-god-2-mr-danny-andre-dixons-arian-view-of-jesus\/\">podcast 118 \u2013 The Son of God 2 \u2013 Mr. Danny Andre Dixon\u2019s \u201cArian\u201d view of Jesus<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 117 \u2013 The Son of God 1 \u2013 Dr. Lee Irons\u2019s trinitarian view of Jesus\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-117-the-son-of-god-1-dr-lee-ironss-trinitarian-view-of-jesus\/\">podcast 117 \u2013 The Son of God 1 \u2013 Dr. Lee Irons\u2019s trinitarian view of Jesus<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong>&#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/eherald.kentross.org\/media\/jbu\/jbu_2014_01.pdf\">Who Should Christians Worship?<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-83-the-spiritual-journey-of-a-maverick-philosopher\/\">podcast 83 \u2013 The Spiritual Journey of a Maverick Philosopher<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Exodus 7:1, 2 Corinthians 4:4.<\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Chris_Zabriskie\/Divider\/06_-_Divider\">Divider<\/a>&#8221; by Chris Zabriske.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>An appealing theological option which is neither 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