{"id":38264,"date":"2017-01-03T17:27:54","date_gmt":"2017-01-03T22:27:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=38264"},"modified":"2017-01-03T17:27:54","modified_gmt":"2017-01-03T22:27:54","slug":"podcast-166-alvan-lamsons-on-the-doctrine-of-two-natures-in-jesus-christ-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-166-alvan-lamsons-on-the-doctrine-of-two-natures-in-jesus-christ-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 166 \u2013 Alvan Lamson\u2019s On the Doctrine of Two Natures in Jesus Christ \u2013 Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_6971\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-38264-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities166.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities166.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities166.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities166.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=38264-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/p\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities166.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities166.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-38273\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/prayer-707809_640.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"405\" height=\"280\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/prayer-707809_640.jpg 640w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/prayer-707809_640-300x208.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/prayer-707809_640-420x291.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/prayer-707809_640-460x318.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/prayer-707809_640-90x62.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 405px) 100vw, 405px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Is the theory that Jesus has &#8220;two natures&#8221; <strong>more trouble than it&#8217;s worth?<\/strong> In this second half of his short book, Alvan Lamson objects to the doctrine of &#8220;two natures&#8221; in Jesus that it<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>i<strong>mplies that Jesus is <em>not<\/em> an example<\/strong> of faith and piety for us to imitate<\/li>\n<li>makes parts of the New Testament impossible for us to understand (Which &#8220;nature&#8221; is now speaking or acting?)<\/li>\n<li>would make it <strong>impossible for Jesus to disavow<\/strong> supreme divinity, as anything he says about his inferiority to God can be referred to his human nature<\/li>\n<li>is <strong>unnecessary<\/strong>, as the exegetical problems it is supposed to solve are more easily solved by less extreme and less arbitrary interpretive moves<\/li>\n<li><strong>misfits<\/strong> the general tenor of the New Testament, which as a whole portrays Jesus as different being than God, who is in various ways less great than God is<\/li>\n<li><strong>atonement<\/strong> does not require it, and arguments that the sacrifice victim must be of infinite value and have a divine nature are sophistical<\/li>\n<li>it is neither explicitly taught nor clearly implied by the Bible, and<strong> if God had intended<\/strong> to teach it by means of the Bible, it would clearly taught and emphasized there; but, it is not. Thus, it is unlikely to be part of the content of divine revelation. Nor do Jesus&#8217;s disciples, in the New Testament, express <strong>the astonishment they would have felt<\/strong> upon being shown that he is God himself. It seems clear that this doctrine of two natures in Jesus is <strong>&#8220;a product of later ages.&#8221;<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Is it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/dl.dropboxusercontent.com\/u\/39138\/Lamson%201828%20-%20The%20Doctrine%20of%20Two%20Natures.pdf\"><em>On the Doctrine of Two Natures in Jesus Christ<\/em><\/a><\/strong> from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/various-authors\/sixteen-american-unitarian-tracts\/paperback\/product-3871427.html\"><em>Sixteen American Unitarian Tracts<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li>Matthew 24:36, Mark 10:18, John 5:19, John 5:30, John 7:16, John 14:28, John 17:1-3, 1 Corinthians 8:4-6, 1 Timothy 2:5.<\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-145-tis-mystery-immortal-dies\/\">podcast 145 \u2013 \u2018Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-146-jesus-exemplar-faith-new-testament\/\">podcast 146 \u2013 Jesus as an Exemplar of Faith in the New Testament<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Andy_G_Cohen\/MUL__DIV_1198\/Andy_G_Cohen_-_MULDIV_-_07_-_Bathed_in_Fine_Dust\">Bathed in Fine Dust<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Andy_G_Cohen\/\">Andy G. Cohen<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Is the theory that Jesus has &#8220;two natures&#8221; more trouble than it&#8217;s worth?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":38273,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,15,6,33,57,77,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-38264","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-christology","category-complaints","category-incarnation","category-podcast","category-protestant","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38264","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=38264"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38264\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":38276,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38264\/revisions\/38276"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/38273"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=38264"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=38264"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=38264"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}