{"id":3829,"date":"2012-05-09T09:04:10","date_gmt":"2012-05-09T13:04:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=3829"},"modified":"2013-11-20T09:50:10","modified_gmt":"2013-11-20T14:50:10","slug":"anthony-buzzard-that-jesus-should-be-worshiped-does-not-imply-that-he-is-god-dale","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/anthony-buzzard-that-jesus-should-be-worshiped-does-not-imply-that-he-is-god-dale\/","title":{"rendered":"Anthony Buzzard: That Jesus Should be Worshiped Does not Imply that He is God"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_3836\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-3836\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rspb.org.uk\/wildlife\/birdguide\/name\/b\/buzzard\/index.aspx\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-3836 \" title=\"buzzard\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/buzzard.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/buzzard.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/buzzard-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/buzzard-90x90.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-3836\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">(click for image credit)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><a title=\"Sir Anthony Buzzard\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Sir_Anthony_Buzzard,_3rd_Baronet\" target=\"_blank\">Sir Anthony Buzzard<\/a> is the author of a number of books, including the 2007\u00a0<strong><em><a title=\"Jesus was not a Trinitarian @ Amazon\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Jesus-Was-Trinitarian-Anthony-Buzzard\/dp\/0967324971\/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1336567111&amp;sr=8-1-spell\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0Jesus Was Not a Trinitarian<\/a><\/em><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Interesting title, no?<\/p>\n<p>Some Christians will think it<strong> true but trivial<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Others, against the evidence, assert it to be <strong>false<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Others will urge that he is <strong><em>implicitly<\/em> but not explicitly<\/strong> a trinitarian, i.e. that his beliefs entailed it, though he did not believe it.<\/p>\n<p>I agree with with Buzzard, though, that it is<strong> both true and important<\/strong>. According to the gospels, Jesus&#8217; beliefs included the numerical identity of the one true God with his heavenly Father, and we should assume him to be self-consistent on this subject, so he did not <em>also<\/em> think that the one true God is numerically identical to this: Father+Son+Spirit. (Things identical to the same thing must also be identical to each other.)<\/p>\n<p>But isn&#8217;t <strong>Jesus worshiped in the New Testament?<\/strong> And doesn&#8217;t that show that he is God himself?<\/p>\n<p>No &#8211; I agree with the substance of this recent video by Buzzard:<!--more--><\/p>\n<div class=\"nv-iframe-embed\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/w9gN0HTvOXQ?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p>and this one:<\/p>\n<div class=\"nv-iframe-embed\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/cnzac7yKZYg?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p>I would add that in Revelation 5, the &#8220;worship&#8221; offered to both God and to Jesus is plainly<em> fully religious<\/em> <em>worship<\/em>, and not some other, lesser sort of honoring.<\/p>\n<p>My recent public presentation was on a similar theme. Stay tuned for videos of the conference and screencast versions.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sir Anthony Buzzard is the author of a number of books, including the 2007\u00a0\u00a0Jesus Was Not a Trinitarian. Interesting title, no? Some Christians will think it true but trivial. Others, against the evidence, assert it to be false. Others will urge that he is implicitly but not explicitly a trinitarian, i.e. that his beliefs entailed&hellip;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/anthony-buzzard-that-jesus-should-be-worshiped-does-not-imply-that-he-is-god-dale\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Read More &raquo;<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Anthony Buzzard: That Jesus Should be Worshiped Does not Imply that He is God<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":3836,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[16,4,43,53],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3829","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-books","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-unitarianism","category-worship"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3829","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3829"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3829\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5303,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3829\/revisions\/5303"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/3836"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3829"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3829"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3829"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}