{"id":38410,"date":"2017-01-30T13:17:24","date_gmt":"2017-01-30T18:17:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=38410"},"modified":"2017-01-30T13:17:24","modified_gmt":"2017-01-30T18:17:24","slug":"podcast-170-athanasiuss-on-the-nicene-council-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-170-athanasiuss-on-the-nicene-council-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 170 \u2013 Athanasius\u2019s On the Nicene Council \u2013 Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_3491\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-38410-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities170.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities170.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities170.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities170.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=38410-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities170.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities170.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Saint-Athanasius-of-Alexandria-icon-Sozopol-Bulgaria-17century.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-38412\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Saint-Athanasius-of-Alexandria-icon-Sozopol-Bulgaria-17century.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"470\" height=\"731\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Saint-Athanasius-of-Alexandria-icon-Sozopol-Bulgaria-17century.jpg 470w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Saint-Athanasius-of-Alexandria-icon-Sozopol-Bulgaria-17century-193x300.jpg 193w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 470px) 100vw, 470px\" \/><\/a>In this episode we hear the rest (chapters 4-7) of\u00a0<strong><em>On the Nicene Council<\/em> <\/strong>(aka\u00a0<em>Defence of the Nicene Definition<\/em>, <em>De Decretis<\/em>)<strong> by Athanasius<\/strong> of Alexandria.<\/p>\n<p>He argues that <strong>Christ being called<\/strong> &#8220;Word,&#8221; &#8220;Wisdom,&#8221; &#8220;Power,&#8221; &#8220;Hand,&#8221; and &#8220;Image&#8221; of God <strong>implies that he is indeed &#8220;from the essence&#8221; on &#8220;one in essence&#8221;<\/strong> with God. He attacks his opponents&#8217; older two-stage logos theory, on which the Son did not exist before his &#8220;generation&#8221; from God, and defends the Origenist teaching of eternal generation. The Son, he argues, must be <strong>&#8220;proper Offspring&#8221;<\/strong> from the essence of God, and so also be <strong>unchangeable, immutable, and eternal<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>He gives his own account of the motivations of that 325 council, which he attended with his then bishop, and then he urges that <strong>earlier catholic teachers<\/strong> &#8211; Theognostus, Dionysius of Alexandria, Dionysius of Rome, and Origen &#8211; had taught substantially the same christology as the 325 council. And he attacks his opponents&#8217; term <strong>&#8220;unoriginate&#8221;<\/strong> as unscriptural, equivocal, and even blasphemous!<\/p>\n<p>What&#8217;s your take? Does the Saint make his case here that all Christians should unite behind the original Nicene creed?<\/p>\n<p>[spp-tweet tweet=&#8221;Does Athanasius prove that the Nicene Creed expresses biblical christology?&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-169-athanasiuss-on-the-nicene-council-part-1\/\">podcast 169 \u2013 Athanasius\u2019s On the Nicene Council \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ccel.org\/ccel\/schaff\/npnf204.xiv.ii.i.html\"><strong><em>Defence of the Nicene Definition<\/em><\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 115 \u2013 the aborted council at Serdica in 343\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-115-the-aborted-council-at-serdica-in-343\/\">podcast 115 \u2013 the aborted council at Serdica in 343<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 114 \u2013 the recycled creed (342-359)\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-114-the-recycled-creed\/\">podcast 114 \u2013 the recycled creed (342-359)<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 113 \u2013 the council at Antioch in 341\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-113-the-council-at-antioch-in-341\/\">podcast 113 \u2013 the council at Antioch in 341<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 31 \u2013 Dr. William Hasker on the \u201cArian\u201d Controversy\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-31-william-hasker-on-the-arian-controversy\/\">podcast 31 \u2013 Dr. William Hasker on the \u201cArian\u201d Controversy<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a title=\"podcast 30 \u2013 The Council of Nicea\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-30-the-council-of-nicea\/\">podcast 30 \u2013 The Council of Nicea<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 29 \u2013 Arius\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-29-arius\/\">podcast 29 \u2013 Arius<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/files\/ramblinglibrarian\/54313\">We Silently Surf the Gentle Sun (ft. Blue Wave Theory)<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/people\/ramblinglibrarian\">Ivan Chew<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this episode we hear the rest (chapters 4-7) of On the Nicene Council (aka Defence of the Nicene Definition, De Decretis) by Athanasius of Alexandria.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":38412,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[16,15,58,4,14,57],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-38410","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-books","category-christology","category-creeds","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-history","category-podcast"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38410","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=38410"}],"version-history":[{"count":11,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38410\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":38549,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38410\/revisions\/38549"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/38412"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=38410"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=38410"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=38410"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}