{"id":38452,"date":"2017-02-06T12:14:09","date_gmt":"2017-02-06T17:14:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=38452"},"modified":"2017-03-04T13:42:55","modified_gmt":"2017-03-04T18:42:55","slug":"podcast-171-assessing-athanasius-and-his-arguments","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-171-assessing-athanasius-and-his-arguments\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 171 &#8211; Assessing Athanasius and his Arguments"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_8209\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-38452-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities171.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities171.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities171.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities171.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=38452-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities171.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities171.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Athanasius_and_Cyril_of_Alexandria_(Menologion_of_Basil_II).jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-38453 alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Athanasius-of-Alexandria.jpg\" width=\"399\" height=\"534\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Athanasius-of-Alexandria.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Athanasius-of-Alexandria-224x300.jpg 224w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 399px) 100vw, 399px\" \/><\/a> <strong>What should we think of Athanasius&#8217;s ferocious condemnations<\/strong> of those he termed &#8220;Arians&#8221;?<\/p>\n<p>And what should we think of his theological <strong>claims and arguments<\/strong> in his <em>On the Nicene Council<\/em>? Does he show that the creed of 325 simply defended and rephrased what Christians had always believed about God and Jesus, which moreover is plainly taught in the Bible? And what about his speculations about salvation, atonement, and deification?<\/p>\n<p>In this episode, I assess both the man and his arguments, using <strong>scripture and reason<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 170 \u2013 Athanasius\u2019s On the Nicene Council \u2013 Part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-170-athanasiuss-on-the-nicene-council-part-2\/\">podcast 170 \u2013 Athanasius\u2019s On the Nicene Council \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 169 \u2013 Athanasius\u2019s On the Nicene Council \u2013 Part 1\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-169-athanasiuss-on-the-nicene-council-part-1\/\">podcast 169 \u2013 Athanasius\u2019s On the Nicene Council \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Athanasius, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ccel.org\/ccel\/schaff\/npnf204.xiv.ii.i.html\"><em>On the Nicene Council<\/em> aka\u00a0<\/a><strong><em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ccel.org\/ccel\/schaff\/npnf204.xiv.ii.i.html\">Defence of the Nicene Definition<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ccel.org\/ccel\/schaff\/npnf204.xxi.ii.i.i.html\">Discourses Against the Arians<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/ref=assoc_res_sw_view_all?tag=trinitiesorg-20&amp;link_code=w14&amp;linkID=ISZSX35I27NLT3KG&amp;_encoding=UTF-8&amp;field-keywords=Frances+Young%2C+From+Nicea+to+Chalcedon\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-38467\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/From-Nicea-to-Chalcedon.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"231\" height=\"346\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/From-Nicea-to-Chalcedon.jpg 231w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/From-Nicea-to-Chalcedon-200x300.jpg 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 231px) 100vw, 231px\" \/><\/a>Titus 3:1-11; 2 Timothy 2:22-26; Galatians 5:19-22; 1 John 2:3-11; Matthew 5:21-22; Acts 2:22-36; John 1:1; Luke 1:35; 2 Peter 1:4.<\/li>\n<li><strong><a title=\"podcast 22 \u2013 a cure for odium theologicum\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-22-a-cure-for-odium-theologicum\/\">podcast 22 \u2013 a cure for <em>odium theologicum<\/em><\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 12 \u2013 the Apostles\u2019 Creed\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-12-the-apostles-creed\/\">podcast 12 \u2013 the Apostles\u2019 Creed<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 11 \u2013 Tertullian the unitarian\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-11-tertullian-the-unitarian\/\">podcast 11 \u2013 Tertullian the unitarian<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;field-keywords=The+Cambridge+History+of+Early+Christian+Literature\"><em>The Cambridge History of Early Christian Literature<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ccel.org\/ccel\/schaff\/npnf204.ix.ii.html\">Eusebius&#8217;s letter describing the Council at Nicea in 325<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/only-god-can-forgive-sins-false\/\">\u201cOnly God can forgive sins.\u201d False.<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong>Frances Young, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/ref=assoc_res_sw_view_all?tag=trinitiesorg-20&amp;link_code=w14&amp;linkID=ISZSX35I27NLT3KG&amp;_encoding=UTF-8&amp;field-keywords=Frances+Young%2C+From+Nicea+to+Chalcedon\"><em>From Nicea to Chalcedon<\/em><\/a>, 2nd ed.<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 60 \u2013 Dr. Carl Mosser on deification in the Bible\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-60-dr-carl-mosser-on-deification-in-the-bible\/\">podcast 60 \u2013 Dr. Carl Mosser on deification in the Bible<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 59 \u2013 Dr. Carl Mosser on salvation as deification\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-59-dr-carl-mosser-on-salvation-as-deification\/\">podcast 59 \u2013 Dr. Carl Mosser on salvation as deification<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/ccmixter.org\/files\/basematic\/34457\">Zest<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/ccmixter.org\/people\/basematic\">basematic<\/a>.\u00a0<\/strong>[spp-tweet tweet=&#8221;Was St. Athanasius a saint?&#8221;]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What should we think of Athanasius&#8217;s ferocious condemnations of those he termed &#8220;Arians&#8221;?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":38453,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[61,21,16,15,6,58,14,38,9,57],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-38452","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-atonement","category-bible","category-books","category-christology","category-complaints","category-creeds","category-history","category-monotheism","category-philosophy","category-podcast"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38452","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=38452"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38452\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":38546,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38452\/revisions\/38546"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/38453"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=38452"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=38452"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=38452"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}