{"id":38677,"date":"2017-03-13T16:24:58","date_gmt":"2017-03-13T20:24:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=38677"},"modified":"2017-03-13T16:24:58","modified_gmt":"2017-03-13T20:24:58","slug":"podcast-175-marcellus-of-ancyra","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-175-marcellus-of-ancyra\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 175 &#8211; Marcellus of Ancyra"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_8069\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-38677-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities175.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities175.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities175.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities175.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=38677-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities175.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities175.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-38678\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Marcelluss-theology-chart.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"450\" height=\"364\" \/>Marcellus&#8217;s theology is <strong>a key to understanding the post-Nicea controversies<\/strong>. He was a leading representative of &#8220;miahypostatic&#8221; theology on which there is just one being or entity (<em>hypostasis<\/em>) among the trinity. God is one self, but is in a sense triadic in how he interacts with his creation. His &#8220;<strong>word<\/strong>&#8221; and &#8220;spirit&#8221; are his eternal attributes, but those words can also describe his various actions, the &#8220;word&#8221; now being God acting in a human body (or man?). <strong>God extends himself it two ways<\/strong>, and Marcellus famously speculates that when the Kingdom has fully come, God&#8217;s word and spirit with withdraw back within him, so that God&#8217;s extension is undone.<\/p>\n<p>As recent scholars have explained, after Nicea a main problem was that <strong>the Nicene Creed of 325 seemed to many to be an expression of Marcellus&#8217;s type of theology<\/strong>. Marcellus was repeatedly anathemetized by eastern councils, and may have at last conformed his views to those of the later Nicenes. In this episode I survey his disputes with Asterius and Eusebius of Caesarea, interpet his famous claim that Jesus&#8217;s reign will come to an end, evaluate a few examples of his biblical exegesis, and explore how Marcellus&#8217;s views are <strong>similar to those of present-day<\/strong> one-self trinitarians, believers in &#8220;the deity of Christ,&#8221; and Oneness Pentecostals.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I object<\/strong> that Marcellus implies that the Incarnate Christ both is and is not a real human being. On the latter view, what looks like a man would instead by God, by his word, acting through a body. I also object to his radical difference from New Testament atonement thinking.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.fourthcentury.com\/marcellus-of-ancyra\/\">Marcellus of Ancyra<\/a><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.fourthcentury.com\/marcellus-intro\/\">surviving fragments of his works translated into English<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Joseph\u00a0 Lienhard, <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0813209013\"><em>Contra Marcellum: Marcellus of Ancyra and Fourth-Century Theology<\/em><\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-38681\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Ayers-ed-Christian-Origins.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"333\" height=\"499\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Ayers-ed-Christian-Origins.jpg 333w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Ayers-ed-Christian-Origins-300x450.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 333px) 100vw, 333px\" \/><\/strong>Michel Barnes, &#8220;The Fourth Century as Trinitarian Canon&#8221; in Lewis Ayres and Gareth Jones (eds.) <a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0415107512\"><em>Christian Origins: Theology, Rhetoric and Community<\/em><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B00AZ4S83M\"> (kindle)<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.britannica.com\/biography\/Paul-of-Samosata\">Paul of Samosata<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-30-the-council-of-nicea\/\">podcast 30 \u2013 The Council of Nicea<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.oxfordreference.com\/view\/10.1093\/oi\/authority.20110803095430324\">Asterius the Sophist<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-173-eusebius-of-caesarea\/\">podcast 173 \u2013 Eusebius of Caesarea<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.fourthcentury.com\/index.php\/council-of-rome-ad-341\/\">Pope Julius&#8217;s synod at Rome (341)<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-115-the-aborted-council-at-serdica-in-343\/\">podcast 115 \u2013 the aborted council at Serdica in 343<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Eustathius_of_Antioch\">Eustathius of Antioch<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-97-dr-michael-heiser-on-the-unseen-realm\/\">podcast 97 \u2013 Dr. Michael Heiser on The Unseen Realm<\/a><\/li>\n<li>John 1; 1 Corinthians 15:20-28; Psalm 110:1; Exodus 3:14; Colossians 1; Isaiah 44:6.<\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Doctor_Turtle\/Jonahs_Message_for_New_York\/manly_nunn_steps_out_v2\">Manly Nunn Steps Out<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Doctor_Turtle\/\">Doctor Turtle<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Marcellus&#8217;s theology is a key to understanding the post-Nicea controversies.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":38678,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[61,58,4,14,33,38,57,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-38677","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-atonement","category-creeds","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-history","category-incarnation","category-monotheism","category-podcast","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38677","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=38677"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38677\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":38689,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38677\/revisions\/38689"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/38678"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=38677"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=38677"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=38677"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}