{"id":38761,"date":"2017-03-27T14:55:29","date_gmt":"2017-03-27T18:55:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=38761"},"modified":"2017-04-10T13:47:46","modified_gmt":"2017-04-10T17:47:46","slug":"podcast-177-the-second-sirmian-creed-357","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-177-the-second-sirmian-creed-357\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 177 &#8211; The Second Sirmian Creed (357)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_3647\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-38761-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities177.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities177.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities177.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities177.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=38761-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities177.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities177.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-38765\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/blasphemy-defined.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"444\" height=\"343\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/blasphemy-defined.jpg 640w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/blasphemy-defined-450x347.jpg 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 444px) 100vw, 444px\" \/>In this episode we first hear about <strong>the years between 351 and 357<\/strong>, including some now obscure councils, the interesting case of bishop of Ossius of Cordova, the religious policy of emperor Constantius II, and his struggles with <strong>Athanasius<\/strong>.\u00a0 We then hear the creed from the second council at Sirmium, and why it was labelled as &#8220;<strong>blasphemy<\/strong>&#8221; by some Nicenes. Often derided even today as &#8220;Arian,&#8221; it did not assert or defend any of the distinctive theses of Arius which had been condemned by many councils dating back to 325. But it was strongly in the two-<em>hypostasis<\/em> (two being) school of thought when it came to God and his Logos.<\/p>\n<p>This creed is what scholars now call &#8220;<strong>subordinationist<\/strong>;&#8221; for them, the one God is the Father, and the Logos is a lesser, divine being. They quoted Jesus, viewed as the mouthpiece of the Logos, as saying &#8220;The Father is greater than I.&#8221; The Incarnate Logos differed, in their view from God in being <strong>visible, passible, mortal<\/strong>. Nonetheless, they call him &#8220;God from God,&#8221; referring to his (in their view mysterious, impenetrable) eternal generation by God.\u00a0 Still, they forbid <em>ousia<\/em>-terms as unscriptural; it is yet another council objecting to the new language introduced by Constantine&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-30-the-council-of-nicea\/\">325 council<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>At the end of the episode, I give a couple of important announcements.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/080103146X\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-38762 size-full\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Hanson-Search.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"225\" height=\"346\" \/><\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.fourthcentury.com\/councils-and-creeds\/\">Early Christian Councils<\/a> @ <a href=\"http:\/\/www.fourthcentury.com\/\">Fourth Century Christianity<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.fourthcentury.com\/ossius-of-cordova\/\">Ossius of Cordova<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong>Hanson, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/080103146X\">The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.fourthcentury.com\/athanasius-chart\/\">Athanasius<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/2814.htm\"><em>Apologia de Fuga<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.fourthcentury.com\/hilary-chart\/\">Hilary of Poitiers<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Isaiah%2053%3A8&amp;version=NRSV;NIV;KJV;ESV;NLT\">Isaiah 53:8<\/a>; John 14:28.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/10-steps-towards-getting-less-confused-about-the-trinity-8-trinity-vs-trinity\/\">10 steps towards getting less confused about the Trinity \u2013 #8 \u2013 trinity vs. Trinity<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is <strong>&#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/Simplify\/Simplify\">Simplify<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong> by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/\">Little Glass Men<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A council-produced creed which is &#8220;blasphemy&#8221;?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":38765,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,16,15,58,4,14,33,57],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-38761","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-books","category-christology","category-creeds","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-history","category-incarnation","category-podcast"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38761","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=38761"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38761\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":38794,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38761\/revisions\/38794"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/38765"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=38761"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=38761"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=38761"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}