{"id":38778,"date":"2017-04-10T13:47:53","date_gmt":"2017-04-10T17:47:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=38778"},"modified":"2017-04-10T13:47:53","modified_gmt":"2017-04-10T17:47:53","slug":"podcast-178-apologists-on-how-god-can-die-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-178-apologists-on-how-god-can-die-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 178 &#8211; Apologists on how God can die &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7285\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-38778-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities178.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities178.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities178.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities178.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=38778-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities178.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities178.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Titian_1558_Ancona_Crucifixion.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-38779\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Titian_1558_Ancona_Crucifixion.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"472\" height=\"456\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Titian_1558_Ancona_Crucifixion.jpg 800w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Titian_1558_Ancona_Crucifixion-450x435.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Titian_1558_Ancona_Crucifixion-768x742.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 472px) 100vw, 472px\" \/><\/a><strong>Can evangelical apologists answer the question &#8220;How can God die?&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Back in <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-145-tis-mystery-immortal-dies\/\">episode 145<\/a>, I laid out <strong>a triad of claims which can&#8217;t all be true<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1. Jesus died.<br \/>\n2. Jesus was fully divine.<br \/>\n3. No fully divine being has ever died.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I argued that a Christian who wants to be faithful to the New Testament, even when it conflicts with catholic traditions, should affirm 1 and 3, and so deny 2.<\/p>\n<p>But this is not an answer you&#8217;re likely to hear from evangelical apologists. Here in part 1, we examine answers by<strong> Dr. David Wood and by Mr. Jay Smith<\/strong>. They&#8217;re <strong>arguing with Muslims<\/strong>, but of course anyone can notice that 1-3 above can&#8217;t all be true, and that arguably 1 and 3 are claims that no Christian should deny. A <em>Christian<\/em> ought to know which of the above to reject, and why.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Do their answers hold up to scrutiny?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Along the way we discuss<\/strong> immortality, essential attributes, perfect being theology, necessary existence, divine aseity, omnipotence, dualism, death, docetism, and the difference between the concepts of theophany and incarnation.<\/p>\n<p>[spp-tweet tweet=&#8221;Apologists answer: How can God die?&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-145-tis-mystery-immortal-dies\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-38783\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/unimpressed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"452\" height=\"543\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/unimpressed.jpg 500w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/unimpressed-374x450.jpg 374w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 452px) 100vw, 452px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-145-tis-mystery-immortal-dies\/\"><strong>podcast 145 \u2013 \u2018Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!<\/strong> <\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=uoLvAbMP2lY\">Did God Die for Our Sins?\u00a0 &#8211; Sh. Dr. Shabir Ally vs Jay Smith<\/a><\/li>\n<li>David Wood: <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=XM0Pjbkp3E4\">How Can God Die?<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Jay Smith on the John Ankerberg Show &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=fyZwzlWSy7k&amp;t=1339s\">The Crucifixion: Can God Die? <\/a><\/li>\n<li>Jay Smith 2011 Australian show &#8220;Worlds Apart&#8221; show: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=EQp9v2EwjTc\">How could God die? Why did Jesus die?<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Jay Smith: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=C7lQn3e0tjI\">Can God become a Man? <\/a><\/li>\n<li>John 20:17, Acts 2:22-24, 1 Timothy 1:17, 6:13-17.<\/li>\n<li><strong>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Jesse_Spillane\/Sky_Ship\/Jesse_Spillane_-_Sky_Ship_-_08_Hands_of_a_Pedestrian\">Hands of a Pedestrian<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Jesse_Spillane\/\">Jesse Spillane<\/a>.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Can evangelical apologists answer the question &#8220;How can God die?&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":38779,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,15,6,75,33,59,9,57,77],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-38778","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-christology","category-complaints","category-divine-attributes","category-incarnation","category-islam","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-protestant"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38778","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=38778"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38778\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":38793,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38778\/revisions\/38793"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/38779"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=38778"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=38778"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=38778"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}