{"id":38810,"date":"2017-04-24T21:23:51","date_gmt":"2017-04-25T01:23:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=38810"},"modified":"2017-04-24T21:23:51","modified_gmt":"2017-04-25T01:23:51","slug":"podcast-180-apologists-on-how-god-can-die-part-3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-180-apologists-on-how-god-can-die-part-3\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 180 &#8211; Apologists on how God can die &#8211; Part 3"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_6751\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-38810-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities180.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities180.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities180.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities180.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=38810-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities180.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities180.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Crucifixion_in_the_arts#\/media\/File:Meister_des_Rabula-Evangeliums_002.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-38807\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Meister_des_Rabula-Evangeliums_002-1024x759.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"462\" height=\"342\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Meister_des_Rabula-Evangeliums_002-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Meister_des_Rabula-Evangeliums_002-450x334.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Meister_des_Rabula-Evangeliums_002-768x569.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 462px) 100vw, 462px\" \/><\/a>Dealing with this inconsistent triad is <em>hard<\/em> for many. After a few podcast recommendations, I work through a long post by Reformed blogger Steve Hays, <strong>trying to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Ug75diEyiA0\">find the beef<\/a><\/strong>. Unfortunately, it&#8217;s nearly all bun. He&#8217;s not able to formulate a response to this <strong>inconsistent triad<\/strong>, the subject of our previous episodes in this series.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1. Jesus died.<br \/>\n2. Jesus was fully divine.<br \/>\n3. No fully divine being has ever died.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Then I evaluate the brief response of a YouTube apologist to this <strong>argument<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1. God cannot die. (premise)<br \/>\n2. Jesus Christ died. (premise)<br \/>\n3. Therefore, Jesus Christ cannot be God. (1,2)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Finally, I consider a response to my inconsistent triad by <strong>Catholic philosopher <a href=\"https:\/\/vexingquestions.wordpress.com\/\">Dr. Daniel Vecchio<\/a><\/strong>. This is carefully considered, and brings in many distinctions made by the tradition. I think it brings out the difficulty of figuring out what &#8220;the&#8221; classical catholic answer is supposed to be. In particular, terms like &#8220;Christ,&#8221; &#8220;Jesus,&#8221; and &#8220;the Son&#8221; are <strong>ambiguous<\/strong>, referring either to (1) the man (if there is a man in one&#8217;s christology), (2) the human nature (which is not a man), (3) the Logos (aka the divine nature), or to (4) the whole Christ, the person who has two natures. It&#8217;s not clear that any but the first of these could in principle die a human death, i.e. lose a human life.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/restitutio.org\/2017\/04\/02\/interview-16-church-of-god-vision-seth-ross\/\">Interview 16: Church of God Vision (Seth Ross)<\/a><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/restitutio.org\/get-podcast\/\">Restitutio pocast episodes<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ancientfaith.com\/podcasts\/areopagus\">The Areopagus Podcast<\/a> <\/strong>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/areopaguspodcast\/\">Facebook<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><strong><a title=\"podcast 145 \u2013 \u2018Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-145-tis-mystery-immortal-dies\/\">podcast 145 \u2013 \u2018Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 145 \u2013 \u2018Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-145-tis-mystery-immortal-dies\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-38818\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Wendys-Wheres-the-Beef.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"493\" height=\"277\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Wendys-Wheres-the-Beef.jpg 484w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Wendys-Wheres-the-Beef-450x253.jpg 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 493px) 100vw, 493px\" \/><\/a><a title=\"podcast 178 \u2013 Apologists on how God can die \u2013 Part 1\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-178-apologists-on-how-god-can-die-part-1\/\">podcast 178 \u2013 Apologists on how God can die \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 179 \u2013 Apologists on how God can die \u2013 Part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-179-apologists-on-how-god-can-die-part-2\/\">podcast 179 \u2013 Apologists on how God can die \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Steve Hays, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/triablogue.blogspot.com\/2017\/04\/when-god-mighty-maker-died.html\">When God the Mighty Maker Died<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=X5Uq3MF5C0I\">&#8220;Can God Die?&#8221;<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Dr. Daniel Vecchio, <strong>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/vexingquestions.wordpress.com\/2017\/04\/19\/tuggys-trilemma\/\">Tuggy&#8217;s Trilemma<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Arne_Bang_Huseby\/~\/Arne_Huseby_-_It_Was_Only_Yesterday\">It Was Only Yesterday<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Arne_Bang_Huseby\/\">Arne Bang Huseby<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dealing with this inconsistent triad can be hard!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":38807,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,15,6,75,33,57,77,76],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-38810","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-christology","category-complaints","category-divine-attributes","category-incarnation","category-podcast","category-protestant","category-roman-catholicism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38810","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=38810"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38810\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":38832,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38810\/revisions\/38832"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/38807"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=38810"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=38810"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=38810"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}