{"id":38953,"date":"2017-05-15T21:26:53","date_gmt":"2017-05-16T01:26:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=38953"},"modified":"2017-05-15T21:26:53","modified_gmt":"2017-05-16T01:26:53","slug":"podcast-183-challenge-unmet","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-183-challenge-unmet\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 183 &#8211; Challenge Unmet"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_642\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-38953-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities183.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities183.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities183.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities183.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=38953-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities183.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities183.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-38955\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jesus-praying-to-God-3-383x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"383\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jesus-praying-to-God-3-383x450.jpg 383w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jesus-praying-to-God-3.jpg 490w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 383px) 100vw, 383px\" \/>In this episode, <strong>I revisit the argument of <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-124-a-challenge-to-jesus-is-god-apologists\/\">podcast 124 \u2013 a challenge to \u201cJesus is God\u201d apologists<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I again present the argument as <strong>a way to sharpen one&#8217;s thinking<\/strong> about God and his Son. It&#8217;s neither an anti-trinitarian nor an anti-Christian argument. What it is, is anti-confusing-together-Jesus-and-God.<\/p>\n<p>To date, <strong>basically one<\/strong> apologist has given a thoughtful answer to it. He accepts <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-124-a-challenge-to-jesus-is-god-apologists\/\">1-3<\/a> as sound, but denies that 4-7 are known to be sound. I discuss this <strong>answer from the able Dr. James Anderson<\/strong>, and argue that it is not enough. Despite the speculations of a few philosophers, I urge that if we know that some being is <em>a different being than<\/em> God, we can conclude that he&#8217;s not <em>the same god as<\/em> God. I present a fanciful story to make this point.<\/p>\n<p>For the first time here I explain how this argument originated, and <strong>who has been ignoring it for more than two years<\/strong> and counting. I also call out some others who frequently assert that in the Bible, Jesus is God himself. To the contrary, any Christian must agree that Jesus and God have differed, and so can&#8217;t be numerically one being.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, <strong>I discuss a number of comments<\/strong> on the earlier podcast blog post.<\/p>\n<p><strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-38961\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/still-waiting-still-waiting-for-replies.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/still-waiting-still-waiting-for-replies.jpg 400w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/still-waiting-still-waiting-for-replies-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-124-a-challenge-to-jesus-is-god-apologists\/\">podcast 124 \u2013 a challenge to \u201cJesus is God\u201d apologists<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/god-in-the-challenge\/\">&#8220;God&#8221; in the challenge argument <\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/why-i-think-youre-identifying-jesus-with-god\/\">why I think you\u2019re identifying Jesus with God<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#RelIde\">relative identity trinitarianism<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/material-constitution\/\">material constitution<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pdcnet.org\/pdc\/bvdb.nsf\/purchase?openform&amp;fp=philtheol&amp;id=philtheol_2013_0025_0001_0129_0162\">&#8220;Constitution Trinitarianism: An Appraisal&#8221;<\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/dale\/CT%20preprint%20-%20Tuggy.pdf\">Preprint.<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.proginosko.com\/2016\/02\/a-brief-response-to-tuggys-challenge\/\">A Brief Response to Tuggy\u2019s Challenge<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/dr-james-andersons-brief-response-challenge\/\">On Dr. James Anderson\u2019s \u201cBrief Response\u201d to the Challenge<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/dr-james-andersons-brief-response-challenge\/\">Further Thoughts on Tuggy\u2019s Challenge<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/a-case-of-progressive-revelation\/\">a case of progressive revelation<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/in-the-new-testament-jesus-has-a-god-same-as-ours\/\">In the New Testament, Jesus has a god (who is also ours)<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>James 3:13-18.<\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/The_Age_of_Insignificance\/Open_Door\">Open Door<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/\">Little Glass Men<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Apologists have yet to engage with the Challenge<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":38955,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,15,6,9,57],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-38953","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-christology","category-complaints","category-philosophy","category-podcast"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38953","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=38953"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38953\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":38966,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38953\/revisions\/38966"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/38955"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=38953"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=38953"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=38953"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}