{"id":39005,"date":"2017-06-05T20:05:52","date_gmt":"2017-06-06T00:05:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=39005"},"modified":"2017-06-05T20:05:52","modified_gmt":"2017-06-06T00:05:52","slug":"podcast-185-how-to-tell-whether-christians-and-muslims-worship-the-same-god-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-185-how-to-tell-whether-christians-and-muslims-worship-the-same-god-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 185 &#8211; How to tell whether Christians and Muslims worship the same God &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_9149\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-39005-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities185.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities185.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities185.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities185.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=39005-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities185.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities185.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-39007\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Santa-vs-St-Nick.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"399\" height=\"208\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Santa-vs-St-Nick.png 484w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Santa-vs-St-Nick-450x234.png 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 399px) 100vw, 399px\" \/>Dr. Tomas Bogardus and his student Mallorie Urban have a paper forthcoming in <em>Faith and Philosophy<\/em> entitled &#8220;<strong>How to Tell Whether<\/strong> Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God.&#8221; In this episode I discuss this fascinating and I think helpful paper with both authors.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Terms and names can shift reference<\/strong> over time, from one reality to another, or from one reality to nothing at all! As is well known, before the life of Muhammad, Arabic-speaking Christians called God <em>Allah<\/em>, the grammatical equivalent of the Greek <em>ho theos<\/em> (&#8220;God,&#8221; literally, &#8220;the god&#8221;) in the New Testament.\u00a0 <strong>But should a Christian say that there has been a reference shift<\/strong> in terms like &#8220;God&#8221; and &#8220;Allah,&#8221; so that when Muslims nowadays use them they <em>don&#8217;t<\/em> refer to God? And turning the question around, <strong>should a Muslim think<\/strong> that Christians have so saddled the word &#8220;God&#8221; with misinformation that they are no longer referring to the one who is (in their view) the God of Abraham, Moses, and Muhammad?<\/p>\n<p>Dr. Bogardus and Ms. Urban help us to think about reference shifting using the <strong>real-life, non-theological cases of &#8220;St. Nicholas&#8221; and &#8220;Madagascar,&#8221;<\/strong> using insights from the work of Gareth Evans (1946-80). They give us a sort of recipe for answering this question, a method which goes beyond just saying the answer which your own social group demands of you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Is it a correct recipe?<\/strong> If you tried it, what result did you get?<\/p>\n<p>[spp-tweet tweet=&#8221;How to tell whether Christians and Muslims worship the same God&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-39006\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/africa-political-maps-sm.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"466\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/africa-political-maps-sm.jpg 500w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/africa-political-maps-sm-450x419.jpg 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/sites.google.com\/site\/tbogardus\/\">Tomas Bogardus&#8217;s home page<\/a><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.academia.edu\/31700772\/How_to_tell_whether_Christians_and_Muslims_worship_the_same_God_-_forthcoming_in_Faith_and_Philosophy\">&#8220;How to Tell Whether Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God&#8221; (preprint &#8211; forthcoming in <em>Faith and Philosophy<\/em>)<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/prosblogion.ektopos.com\/2017\/03\/31\/virtual-colloquium-tomas-bogardus-and-mallorie-urban-how-to-tell-whether-christians-and-muslims-worship-the-same-god\/\">Virtual colloquium at Prosblogion<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/sites.baylor.edu\/francisbeckwith\/\">Francis Beckwith<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.michaelrea.org\/\">Michael C. Rea<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-same-god-controversy-and-christian-committment\/\">Tuggy &#8211; the \u201csame god\u201d controversy and Christian commitment \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gareth_Evans_(philosopher)\">Gareth Evans<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.blackdog.net\/holiday\/christmas\/twas.html\">&#8220;&#8216;Twas the Night Before Christmas&#8221;<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/history\/2008\/august\/real-saint-nicholas.html\">Olsen, &#8220;The Real St. Nicholas&#8221;<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Sacred_Mushroom_and_the_Cross\"><em>The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/meghansullivan.org\/\">Meghan Sullivan<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/philpapers.org\/rec\/SULSFB\">&#8220;Semantics for Blasphemy&#8221;<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/do-christians-muslims-worship-same-god-part-1\/\">podcast 120 \u2013 Do Christians and Muslims worship the same god? Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/Simplify\/Ombak\">&#8220;The Ombak&#8221;<\/a> by Little Glass Men.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Two philosophers give us a sort of recipe for answering this question.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":39007,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[56,59,38,9,57,66],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-39005","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-interview","category-islam","category-monotheism","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-religious-diversity"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39005","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=39005"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39005\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":39125,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39005\/revisions\/39125"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/39007"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=39005"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=39005"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=39005"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}