{"id":39263,"date":"2017-07-17T21:50:12","date_gmt":"2017-07-18T01:50:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=39263"},"modified":"2017-07-18T12:55:09","modified_gmt":"2017-07-18T16:55:09","slug":"podcast-191-wares-outline-of-the-testimony-of-scripture-against-the-trinity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-191-wares-outline-of-the-testimony-of-scripture-against-the-trinity\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 191 &#8211; Ware&#8217;s Outline of the Testimony of Scripture Against the Trinity"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_584\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-39263-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities191.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities191.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities191.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities191.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=39263-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities191.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities191.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-39267\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Henry-Ware-Jr-painting-miniature.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"493\" height=\"459\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Henry-Ware-Jr-painting-miniature.jpg 493w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Henry-Ware-Jr-painting-miniature-450x419.jpg 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 493px) 100vw, 493px\" \/>Henry Ware Jr. (1794-1843)<\/strong> was a Unitarian minister in Boston from 1807-1830, and then Professor of Pulpit Eloquence and the Pastoral Care at Harvard Divinity School from 1830-1842. He authored not only sermons and works of theology, but also poetry and fiction.<\/p>\n<p>In this <strong>1827 lecture, Ware outlines the case for thinking the authors of the New Testament to be unitarian,<\/strong> rather than trinitarian, in their theology. He argues powerfully and eloquently. I here present it in its entirety, with just a word or two modernized.<\/p>\n<p>At the end of the podcast, I note a <strong>minor disagreement<\/strong> I have with it. Still, Ware&#8217;s approach here is similar to <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-189-the-unfinished-business-of-the-reformation\/\">my recent talk<\/a>, and I think he has a point or two which I may incorporate, as I turn that talk of mine into book chapter.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Does Ware make a strong overall case? Why or why not?\u00a0<\/strong><strong>\u00a0<\/strong>[spp-tweet tweet=&#8221;Harvard prof argues that NT authors are unitarian, not trinitarian.&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-39279\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Ware-Outline_1-620x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"499\" height=\"824\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Ware-Outline_1-620x1024.jpg 620w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Ware-Outline_1-273x450.jpg 273w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Ware-Outline_1-768x1267.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Ware-Outline_1.jpg 1530w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 499px) 100vw, 499px\" \/>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.webuus.com\/timeline\/Henry_Ware_Jr.html\">Henry Ware Jr.\u00a0<\/a><\/li>\n<li><em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/various-authors\/sixteen-american-unitarian-tracts\/paperback\/product-3871427.html\">Sixteen American Unitarian Tracts<\/a><\/em>\n<ul>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.dropbox.com\/s\/qer47z0gwuyrxoy\/Ware%20-%20Outline.pdf?dl=0\"><strong>Outline\u00a0of the Testimony of Scripture Against the Trinity<\/strong><\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 156 \u2013 Dr. J.R. Daniel Kirk on A Man Attested by God \u2013 Part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-156-dr-j-r-daniel-kirk-on-a-man-attested-by-god-part-2\/\">podcast 156 \u2013 Dr. J.R. Daniel Kirk on A Man Attested by God \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 155 \u2013 Dr. J.R. Daniel Kirk on A Man Attested by God \u2013 Part 1\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-155-dr-j-r-daniel-kirk-on-a-man-attested-by-god-part-1\/\">podcast 155 \u2013 Dr. J.R. Daniel Kirk on A Man Attested by God \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><em>proskuneo<\/em> in the LXX\n<ul>\n<li>(divine worship) 1 Samuel 1:19, 1 Samuel 15:25, 2 Samuel 12:20<\/li>\n<li>(deference to a king or other person) 1 Samuel 25:23, 2 Samuel 1:2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Did-First-Christians-Worship-Jesus\/dp\/0664231969\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1500396835&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=dunn+did+the+first\"><em><strong>Did the First Christians Worship Jesus?<\/strong><\/em><\/a>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/rdtwot.wordpress.com\/2011\/08\/19\/did-the-first-christians-worship-jesus-the-new-testament-evidence\/\">review by Nick Norelli<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/who-should-christians-worship\/\">Who Should Christians Worship?<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/Spontaneous_Album_Sampler\/Clover\">Clover<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/\">Little Glass Men<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A concise and clear case that the NT authors held a unitarian theology.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":39268,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,16,15,55,20,57,43,53],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-39263","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-books","category-christology","category-holy-spirit","category-mystery","category-podcast","category-unitarianism","category-worship"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39263","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=39263"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39263\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":39296,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39263\/revisions\/39296"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/39268"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=39263"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=39263"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=39263"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}