{"id":393,"date":"2008-07-18T14:46:00","date_gmt":"2008-07-18T14:46:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=393"},"modified":"2017-09-04T13:44:06","modified_gmt":"2017-09-04T17:44:06","slug":"dealing-with-apparent-contradictions-part-12-rational-reinterpretation-and-theologians","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/dealing-with-apparent-contradictions-part-12-rational-reinterpretation-and-theologians\/","title":{"rendered":"Dealing with Apparent Contradictions: Part 12 &#8211; Rational Reinterpretation and theologians"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px;\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/chimpnoevil.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p><small><em>Your average theologian&#8217;s response to recent Rational Reinterpretations.<\/em><\/small><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: left;\">\n<p>Let me take <strong>four recent books off my shelf by current theologians<\/strong>. Now I&#8217;ll search through them to see if they have <strong>any reference at all <\/strong>to some of the more important Rational Reconstructions in the last 25 years or so, namely:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Tom Morris&#8217;s (1986, 1989) or Richard Swinburne&#8217;s two-minds approach to the Incarnation (1994)<\/li>\n<li>Swinburne&#8217;s social trinitarian theory (1994)<\/li>\n<li>Leftow&#8217;s earlier Latin Trinitarian speculations (1999, 2004) and his exploration and penetrating criticisms of various social theories (1999)<\/li>\n<li>Peter van Inwagen&#8217;s relative identity construals of the Incarnation and Trinity (1995)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>(To new readers &#8211; you can find many earlier posts on Swinburne and Leftow using the search box, below right.) I&#8217;m limiting myself to (1) <strong>uncontroversially top-notch work<\/strong>, (2) by prominent Christian philosopher-theologians, masters of their craft, that (3) has been out for a while, and which (4) is <em>pretty<\/em> well known among Christian philosophers. Now, for the search:<\/p>\n<p>McGrath,<em> Christian Theology: An Introduction<\/em>, 4th. ed. (2007)<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Basically, a complete miss. A passing reference to Swinburne as a great philosophical theologian. McGrath does mention &#8220;kenotic&#8221; approaches to the Incarnation, which are certainly Rational Reconstructions, but his discussion ends in the 19th century.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Grenz, <em>Rediscovering the Triune God<\/em> (2004)<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Complete miss. But we&#8217;ve got Hegel and Schleirmacher! (Sigh &#8211; philosophy has come a <em>long<\/em> way since then.)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>K\u00e4rkk\u00e4inen, <em>The Trinity: Global Perspectives<\/em> (2007)<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Despite the fact that all the aforementioned philosopher-theologians have lived their entire lives so far on the Globe, a complete miss. This is the more bitter because of the coverage lavished on some surprisingly bad theories. Kenosis is mentioned a few times.<\/li>\n<li>Towards the end of the book, he says: &#8220;&#8230;I would call for <strong>a much more sophisticated analysis of the relation of threeness to unity<\/strong> than has been done.&#8221; (393, emphasis added) My friend, this has been going in earnest since at least the late 80s, among philosophical theologians, with the pace picking up more recently.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Olson and Hall, <em>The Trinity<\/em> (2002)<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Granted, this is introductory, but: a total miss. The end point of theorizing here? Zizioulas&#8217;s 1983 book.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Mind you, these are all (1) recent books, by (2) theologians specializing in the Trinity, which (3) aim at comprehensiveness, i.e. showing the student where she ought to look further.<\/p>\n<p><strong>None of these are bad books<\/strong> &#8211; I&#8217;ve found all them useful in various ways. <strong>I&#8217;m not criticizing these four gentlemen (one deceased) but rather the professional standard they&#8217;ve all followed<\/strong>. Folks, this is like biologists ignoring recent and relevant work in chemistry. (Yeah, I know: some theologians think it&#8217;s more like astronomers ignoring &#8220;developments&#8221; in astrology. \ud83d\ude09 )<br \/>\n<strong><br \/>\nInstead of just complaining about this, I&#8217;ll speculate on why<\/strong> most theologians, even ones who focus on the Trinity <em>seem<\/em> completely uninformed about important work in philosophical theology. (Yes, I&#8217;m aware of a few exceptions &#8211; usually younger guys &#8211; but they are rare exceptions, <em>as far as I can tell <\/em>&#8211; I&#8217;d like to be wrong about this.)<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Theology is backward-looking, and this stuff is too recent to be on the radar.<\/li>\n<li>Theologians aren&#8217;t trained in philosophy, and so find the aforementioned authors very difficult to understand; hence, they avoid them.<\/li>\n<li>These writers are not academic theologians, not professors of theology, but theologians are academically insular, in the own little world.<\/li>\n<li>They&#8217;re spending so much time batting around the unclear work of Rahner and Barth, and other imprecise and long-winded thinkers, they just don&#8217;t have time to read philosophical theology.<\/li>\n<li>Theologians are simply not very worried about inconsistency or irrationality (or conversely, consistency and rationality), at least concerning the Trinity and the Incarnation.<\/li>\n<li>But insofar as they <em>are<\/em> concerned with consistency, Mysterian Resistance and Redirection are firmly entrenched in academic theology.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Regarding #2 &#8211; I believe that systematic theologians <em>should be<\/em> trained in Philosophy, at least to the equivalent of a B.A.. Also, as more popular level and reference sources cover this stuff, it&#8217;ll be inexcusable to be a least a little familiar with it. All the sources I mention are complex but rigorously clearly written.<\/p>\n<p>Regarding #3 &#8211; Are philosophers equally insular? I dare say we (who work in philosophical theology) are not. For my part, I&#8217;ve got a shelf full of recent books by theologians on the Trinity, but they rarely address issues in which I&#8217;m interested. Or if they do, the treatment is&#8230; inadequate in various ways. Philosophers developing Trinity theories, in my experience, are often following up on undeveloped leads from recent theologians &#8211; particularly in the social camp. And we have no excuse, for there are abundant decently short and clear secondary sources. (Theologians &#8211; this will soon be true of philosophical theology as well!)<\/p>\n<p>Regarding #5: I think this is true. Why it is true is another question, and most of the possible answers are not pretty.<\/p>\n<p>Regarding #6: This is a big reason why I think Mysterian Resistance is worth looking into (next post, btw).<\/p>\n<p><strong>So young theologians: if you&#8217;re going to work on the Trinity, surf this site, and follow up by reading<\/strong> some of books and articles discussed here. If you stick with standard theology sources, you&#8217;re missing out on a whole world of exciting, challenging, relevant stuff. Frankly, your elders have, collectively, let you down by ignoring obviously relevant material. You must, unless you&#8217;re working with one of the aforementioned (rare, and usually young) theology profs who are up on recent philosophical theology, fend for yourself.<\/p>\n<p><em>Next time: the next &#8220;R&#8221; &#8211; Resistance!<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Most theologians, even ones who focus on the Trinity, seem completely uninformed about important work in philosophical theology.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":5893,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[16,6,14,33,20,9,13,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-393","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-books","category-complaints","category-history","category-incarnation","category-mystery","category-philosophy","category-theologians","category-theories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/393","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=393"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/393\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":39426,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/393\/revisions\/39426"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/5893"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=393"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=393"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=393"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}