{"id":39512,"date":"2017-09-18T19:23:45","date_gmt":"2017-09-18T23:23:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=39512"},"modified":"2017-09-18T19:23:45","modified_gmt":"2017-09-18T23:23:45","slug":"podcast-194-god-one-person-or-three-sanders-vs-buzzard-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-194-god-one-person-or-three-sanders-vs-buzzard-debate\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 194 &#8211; God: One Person or Three? Sanders vs. Buzzard debate"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_5360\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-39512-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities194.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities194.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities194.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities194.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=39512-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities194.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities194.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-39513\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debaters2-450x326.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"450\" height=\"326\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debaters2-450x326.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debaters2.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 450px) 100vw, 450px\" \/>It&#8217;s been awhile since we featured <strong>a debate<\/strong> on the trinities podcast. This one is a follow up to our two-part review of Dr. Fred Sander&#8217;s <em>The Deep Things of God<\/em> (<a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-192-review-of-sanderss-the-deep-things-of-god-part-1\/\">here<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-193-review-of-sanderss-the-deep-things-of-god-part-2\/\">here<\/a>). <a href=\"http:\/\/scriptoriumdaily.com\/trinity-debate-sanders-vs-buzzard\/\">As Dr. Sanders explains<\/a>, this debate was held on <strong>Friday, April 25, 2003<\/strong> at the Norco Campus of Riverside Community College. You also read Dr. Sanders&#8217;s <strong>transcript<\/strong> of the debate <a href=\"http:\/\/scriptoriumdaily.com\/trinity-debate-sanders-vs-buzzard\/\">at that same link<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve improved the sound and edited the whole thing for length, removing the intros, dead air, false starts, and a few rabbit trails, but nothing of substance. It clocks in now at just over two hours. Apologies to the moderator <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-118-the-son-of-god-2-mr-danny-andre-dixons-arian-view-of-jesus\/\">Danny Dixon<\/a>, whose intro ended up on the cutting room floor.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-39520\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/cross-out-450x450.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"277\" height=\"277\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/cross-out-450x450.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/cross-out-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/cross-out.png 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 277px) 100vw, 277px\" \/>The debate is very informal, and starts slow, but it <strong>gets better as it goes along<\/strong>. If you&#8217;re trying to think through this difficult issue, it is helpful to hear someone make a case for each side.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s a tip. One must <strong>actively listen<\/strong> to a debate. <strong>List<\/strong> out the arguments or main points of each speaker. Then, <strong>cross out<\/strong> the ones which are undermined or refuted by that guy&#8217;s opponent, or which you can rule out on other grounds. <strong>See what&#8217;s left.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>After you listen, let us know below who you think won, and why.<\/p>\n<p>[spp-tweet tweet=&#8221;Trinitarian Sanders vs. biblical unitarian Buzzard: full debate&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.fredfredfred.com\/\">Dr. Sanders\u2019s website<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li>Dr. Sanders\u2019s blog <a href=\"http:\/\/scriptoriumdaily.com\/\"><em>Scriptorum Daily<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/scriptoriumdaily.com\/trinity-debate-sanders-vs-buzzard\/\"><strong>Dr. Sanders&#8217;s blog post on and transcript of the debate<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Buzzard&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.focusonthekingdom.org\/index.html\">Restoration Fellowship<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.focusonthekingdom.org\/audio.htm\"><strong>the unedited audio mp3s of this debate<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.focusonthekingdom.org\/translations.htm\">John 1 in 50+ English Translations<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-44-the-spiritual-journey-of-sir-anthony-buzzard\/\">podcast 44 \u2013 The Spiritual Journey of Sir Anthony Buzzard<\/a><\/li>\n<li><em><a title=\"Jesus was not a Trinitarian\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0967324971\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Jesus was not a Trinitarian<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/coggc.org\/index.php\">Church of God General Conference<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/fuller.edu\/academics\/school-of-theology\/cats\/brown,-colin\/\">Colin Brown<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/covenanthouseone.org\/theological-conferences\/2004\/son-of-god-language-in-the-new-testament\"><strong>excerpts from &#8220;Trinity and Incarnation: In Search of Contemporary Orthodoxy,&#8221;<\/strong><\/a> <em>Ex Auditu, <\/em>7, 1991, 83-100.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=cYk_HH4xMgM\">Dr. Colin Brown on The Trinity (2004)<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Millard Erickson, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Making-Sense-Trinity-Crucial-Questions\/dp\/080106287X\/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1505764021&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=erickson%2C+making+sense+of+the+trinity\"><em>Making Sense of the Trinity: Three Crucial Questions<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li>Raymond Brown, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Birth-Messiah-Anchor-Reference-Library\/dp\/0385472021\/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1505776281&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=brown%2C+the+birth+of+the+messiah\"><em>The Birth of the Messiah<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblicalunitarian.com\/videos\/but-what-about-john-1-1\">But what about John 1:1?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-71-proverbs-8-jesus-part-1\/\">podcast 71 \u2013 Is Proverbs 8 about Jesus? Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Maurice Wiles, <a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0199245916\/132-8646723-5495035\"><em>Archetypal Heresy<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/who-should-christians-worship\/\">Who Should Christians Worship?<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Which does the Bible teach, that the one God just is the Father, or that the one God is Father, Son, and Spirit?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":39513,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,54,57,13,3,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-39512","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-debates","category-podcast","category-theologians","category-theories","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39512","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=39512"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39512\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":39527,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39512\/revisions\/39527"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/39513"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=39512"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=39512"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=39512"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}