{"id":39604,"date":"2017-10-16T12:53:00","date_gmt":"2017-10-16T16:53:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=39604"},"modified":"2017-10-16T12:53:00","modified_gmt":"2017-10-16T16:53:00","slug":"podcast-198-robert-hachs-the-passion-and-persuasion-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-198-robert-hachs-the-passion-and-persuasion-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 198 &#8211; Robert Hach&#8217;s The Passion and Persuasion &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_4447\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-39604-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities198.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities198.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities198.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities198.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=39604-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities198.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities198.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Passion-Persuasion-Robert-Hach\/dp\/1453562931\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1508170949&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=hach+persuasion\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-39605 size-full\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-passion-and-persuasion.jpg\" alt=\"The Passion and Persuasion by Robert Hach\" width=\"312\" height=\"445\" \/><\/a>Robert Hach (aka Robert Hand) is the author of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Passion-Persuasion-Robert-Hach\/dp\/1453562931\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1508170949&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=hach+persuasion\"><em><strong>The Passion and Persuasion: A Biblical Deconstruction of the Evangelical Rhetoric of the Cross<\/strong><\/em><\/a><strong>.<\/strong> In this first part of a two-part interview, we discuss his experiences in a cultish Christian group, and how that led to his interest in rhetoric. We then discuss some of the basic ideas about God, justice\/righteousness, forgiveness, and the unique atoning death of Jesus in the New Testament.<\/p>\n<p>Questions addressed include:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Does God&#8217;s <strong>&#8220;justice&#8221; (righteousness)<\/strong> demand that he can&#8217;t forgive unless he gets full payment for sin?<\/li>\n<li>Is <strong>full payment<\/strong> compatible with the forgiveness of a debt?<\/li>\n<li>Is God actually like<strong> a debt-holder<\/strong> when it comes to us, storing up a record of wrongs to hold as a barrier against being reconciled to us?<\/li>\n<li>What, if anything, does the famous parable of <strong>the prodigal son<\/strong> tell us about forgiveness and atonement? What, if anything, represents the death of Jesus in that parable?<\/li>\n<li>And how does Jesus&#8217;s atonement relate to <strong>the law<\/strong> given through Moses?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>I encountered some serious <strong>audio difficulties<\/strong> in recording Mr. Hach; this was entirely my fault, and I apologize to him and to you for the audio problems here. I&#8217;ve taken some steps to mitigate these, with limited success. But I&#8217;m compelled to present this interview despite those problems, given the interest of the material.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/86530412@N02\/8231671430\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-39606\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/8231671430_e83d55aa51_z.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"437\" height=\"291\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/8231671430_e83d55aa51_z.jpg 640w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/8231671430_e83d55aa51_z-450x300.jpg 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 437px) 100vw, 437px\" \/><\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Passion-Persuasion-Robert-Hach\/dp\/1453562931\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1508170949&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=hach+persuasion\"><em><strong>The Passion and Persuasion: A Biblical Deconstruction of the Evangelical Rhetoric of the Cross<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Possession-Persuasion-Rhetoric-Christian-Faith\/dp\/1401021271\/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1508171240&amp;sr=1-3\"><em>Possession and Persuasion: The Rhetoric of Christian Faith<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.thebyteshow.com\/RobertHach.html\">Interviews with Mr. Hach on The Byte Show<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/ereflector.blogspot.com\/\"><strong>Reflections of a Generic Christian<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/pg\/Wagner-Hand-and-Pflug-249928541722236\/posts\/?ref=page_internal\">Wagner, Hand &amp; Pflug @ Facebook<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/beZuy9O7pqA?t=1m10s\">Wagner, Hand &amp; Pflug: &#8220;American Nomads&#8221; live @ WLRN Folk Music Radio<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/store.cdbaby.com\/cd\/wagnerhandpflug\"><strong>Wagner, Hand &amp; Pflug albut @ CDBaby<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Jason_Shaw\/Audionautix_Acoustic\/MARATHON_MAN_________________2-24\">Marathon Man<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Jason_Shaw\/\">Jason Shaw<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Does God&#8217;s justice demand that he can&#8217;t forgive unless he gets full payment for sin?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":39605,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[61,21,16,56,57],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-39604","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-atonement","category-bible","category-books","category-interview","category-podcast"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39604","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=39604"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39604\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":39619,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39604\/revisions\/39619"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/39605"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=39604"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=39604"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=39604"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}